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Post by jaysdelina on Apr 17, 2011 22:27:13 GMT -5
@atd: I'm really thinking that now that the writers won't have Philip to kick around anymore (portraying him as a bad father,etc),now it's Chloe's turn.When she tried to kill herself,or when she left the cookies in the oven with Parker alone in the house,I could have easily bought that the PPD "made her do it".Now not so much.It is my guess that now it's Chloe's turn to be portrayed as the bad parent.As you said,she's living with Parker,even if she doesn't have "full custody"or whatever,so what the hell is she doing boozing it up,badmouthing Mel,and generally moping around town with her head up her behind?She's not at all working to better herself and keep Parker in her life.Seems the writers really want us to see that.Maybe they don't want us to care that she's losing Parker?I'd be willing to bet in less than two months,Parker won't even be mentioned by his mother anymore.She'll move on to the next bed she can get into and that'll be that.It's really kinda sad.....
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Post by addictedtodool on Apr 18, 2011 21:36:00 GMT -5
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Post by fluffysmom on Apr 18, 2011 21:51:45 GMT -5
I hope we get some kind of Chloe redemption out of this mess! Otherwise it will be trash her until her contract is up. If she ends up leaving this fall I hope we at least get them back together even though it would probably be offscreen. The way Chloe has been written lately I can't see why any new viewers would like her at all. Bring back the Chloe we love!!
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Post by addictedtodool on Apr 18, 2011 21:53:44 GMT -5
I second that emotion!
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Post by jaysdelina on Apr 19, 2011 13:41:16 GMT -5
It's so strange,I keep watching old clips of Phloe,and it's like watching two different women.This is NOT the Chloe I loved.This one is a self centered tramp.I used to love her strength,her no holds barred tell it like it is attitude.This one's mean,spiteful,etc etc.I really wish they'd turn her around at this point.I can't take the "fingernails raking down a chalk board"feeling I get just hearing her voice now.I can't see Nadia being thrilled with where her character's been taken.It would serve TPTB right if she up and left at the end of her contract.
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Post by fluffysmom on Apr 19, 2011 14:40:20 GMT -5
It's so strange,I keep watching old clips of Phloe,and it's like watching two different women.This is NOT the Chloe I loved.This one is a self centered tramp.I used to love her strength,her no holds barred tell it like it is attitude.This one's mean,spiteful,etc etc.I really wish they'd turn her around at this point.I can't take the "fingernails raking down a chalk board"feeling I get just hearing her voice now.I can't see Nadia being thrilled with where her character's been taken.It would serve TPTB right if she up and left at the end of her contract. Very true! If she does leave I want a reunion offscreen at the very least! Just so we know our PHLOE family is happy! |
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Post by shi22 on Apr 19, 2011 15:52:44 GMT -5
This exit is such a disservice to both Philip and Chloe. Neither of them comes out looking good. I hate that Philip abandons Chloe because of Kate of all people. Sorry, but Kate tried murdering Chloe once and then drove her over the edge again by convincing her not to take her medication when she was clearly in a vulnerable state. Philip should never listen to Kate.
Chloe was finally on the right track to getting her life back together by getting a job, and taking her medication, but when she heard that none of her actions made a difference, she was rightfully upset. I don't support her decision to go to a bar and get drunk, but it's definitely not reason enough for Philip to take Parker and leave. Relapses do occur and I think Philip should have understood that instead of declaring her an unfit mother and just taking off. It's very OOC of Philip especially because he's been there for Chloe more than anyone else. I find it hard to believe that THIS is the tipping point for him. The least these writers could have done is stay true to Philip's character.
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Post by jaysdelina on Apr 19, 2011 16:37:29 GMT -5
I honestly didn't find his reactions that far fetched.He's a father now,he really can't put Chloe above Parker,no matter how much he cares about her.Honestly I'm glad the tough love came from him,and that's really what this was.He's not abandoning her,nor is he keeping her from Parker,he's just basically saying "Get your crap together and come see us".Philip did what was best for Parker.With Kate and Chloe,Parker would have always been in the middle,so Philip did what he had to do IMO.Not only that,but it gives her a reason to get better now,a push in the right direction,because she really wasn't taking any initiative in getting better on her own.She needed someone/something to push her into taking action for herself.
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Post by shi22 on Apr 19, 2011 17:19:42 GMT -5
Philip being there for the mother of his child and supporting her through this IS what's best for Parker though. Parker's mother needs help right now, and considering she has NO family in Salem and Daniel just left her, Philip and Parker are basically the only two people she has. Instead of leaving her like this, he should be helping her get through this.
Also, I wouldn't say she wasn't taking any initiative in getting her life back together. She got a job all on her own and I think for someone who was in a co-dependent relationship over the past year, that in itself was a BIG step in the right direction. When she turned down a role with the Seattle Opera Company, she did it because she was thinking of Parker and didn't want to leave him. She specifically said she didn't want to to visit Parker, she wanted to raise him and that's why she didn't take the part.
She was trying to be a good mother and although she took a step backwards yesterday, I don't think that's reason enough for Philip to take Parker away from her. Philip has stressed over and over again that he was going to be there for her and help her through this and that's why it's so hard for me to believe that he would leave her like this. This isn't even about his friendship with Chloe, but it's about the fact that she's the mother of his son, and for that reason alone, he should be helping her through this.
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Post by ghoulgirl on Apr 19, 2011 17:44:31 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with what you said about how this is not a big enough reason for Philip to be taking Parker. She has been on the right track for sometime now and she just got slapped in the face with some bad news about custody and I totally get her going to have a drink after that. I am that kind of person. I don't get crazy drunk like she did but have a glass of wine or A drink...anyway, point being, I think that this was kind of a lame way out for Philip. I get the reasons he is saying, but this specific reason that set this off wasn't good enough IMO. If this was any other time, he would be yelling at Kate telling her that she was just trying to cause problems. Keep her nose out of it.
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Post by jaysdelina on Apr 19, 2011 18:58:36 GMT -5
I'm not completely disagreeing.I'm just saying there comes a point when a person has to stand on their own and get their own crap together.He was right in citing the ways in which parker could have been hurt in what she was doing to herself.Should he have walked away?Maybe not.BUT with that being said,sometimes it takes something drastic to wake someone up.I wouldn't be surprised if Nadia isn't renewing her contract and they will write her out to go be with Philip and Parker.Now she'll be able to concentrate on getting herself better,standing on her own,and focusing on herself.For some this may make him look like a bad father,but honestly I don't feel that way.He "abandoned"Tyler (not my view,but the general idea the show wants us to have),and he does want to try to do best for Parker.I guess he feels that letting his mom get herself completely together IS what's best for Parker right now.It's good though that he held everyone,including himself accountable for the mess they find themselves in.
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Post by shi22 on Apr 19, 2011 19:56:31 GMT -5
I don't think Philip looks like a bad father, but I do think he looks like a jerk, and those were really his only two options when tptb decided to write his character out this way. Either he was going to look like a jerk for leaving his son, or he was going to look like a jerk for taking Parker away from his mother. It was really a lose-lose situation. I just wish this exit would have been written in a way that would have stayed true to his character. Chloe has been getting help and working on getting her life back together so him leaving because of a minor setback doesn't sit well with me. If Chloe refused get help, then I could totally understand Philip taking Parker and leaving.
That being said, if Philip had to be written out like this, I prefer him taking Parker with him. Philip has been repeatedly accused of being a bad father, so I'm glad he has a chance to be a good father to Parker, but I still think this is a horrible exit and could have been written so much better.
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Post by jaysdelina on Apr 19, 2011 20:09:30 GMT -5
And that's what I was trying to say,or at least in part what I was trying to say.Maybe he shouldn't have left Chloe that way,or heck,he could have left her but said "I love you,you know that,but things can't keep going like this for Parker's sake".I'm at least glad if he left one,it was to be a good father to the other.He's at least trying to do right.TPTB really didn't care about showing him as a good father with Parker,we may know he did what was best in that situation,but tptb wanted us to see him as a jerk who abandoned his kid.Never mind Claire,she's not even mentioned anymore,and for the time that he was her father,he was a GOOD father.So at least this time we got SOMETHING.As you say,it's a no win,but at least they showed this time that he's doing it for his son.
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Post by fluffysmom on Apr 19, 2011 21:49:59 GMT -5
I told my husband about the exit and he said those writers really suck. He doesn't watch the show but takes a look if Nadia or Ali are on!
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Post by DancingDays on Apr 20, 2011 12:07:40 GMT -5
I really feel bad for Chloe in all of this mess. So what if she goes and gets trashed for ONE night. She didn't have her child with her and she wasn't endangering anyone (although we didn't see how she got back to the Kiriakis mansion - I'm assuming driver?). Parents leave kids with babysitters all the time and go out and be adults instead of just mommy and daddy. That doesn't make them bad parents. It makes them human. I'm disappointed in Philip that he immediately assumed Kate's version of things and thought, even for a second, that Chloe would actually leave town with Parker and never be seen again. I get that they had to give him an out, but this stinks. I've racked my brain trying to figure out a believable exit for both him and Parker (who at this point is just a prop anyway) and I can't come up with anything other than presumed dead. So I guess moving is at least preferable to death. He can come back from Chicago much more easily than the dead. And Chloe would be completely WRECKED if Philip and Parker were to die. At least now, they're just down the road. Maybe she can visit off screen? When things get to be too much, she can hop on down the road to Chi-town and see them. Maybe they can see a Cubs game together. Now, THAT'S my idea of a good time.  |
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