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Post by jaysdelina on Sept 6, 2011 21:15:43 GMT -5
We love you and appreciate all you do JF  |
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Post by fluffysmom on Sept 6, 2011 22:21:32 GMT -5
It really frustrated me that Philip wasn't even the focus of the paternity story. The focus should have been on Philip and Chloe not their spouses. It always made me mad that he seemed to be the one chasing the women. He should have been in a triangle with two women instead of always with another guy. There were countless missed opportunities for Philip.
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Post by jaysdelina on Sept 6, 2011 22:24:01 GMT -5
He was in the triangle with Steph and Mel,until the writers brought in Stalker Boy.After that the focus became Mel's indecision,and Philip chasing her.I didn't much mind that they put SOME focus on the spouses for the paternity,because it DOES affect them too,BUT,I will say that the focus was too much on the spouses.
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Post by jaysfan on Sept 6, 2011 22:29:55 GMT -5
What I still don't get is why they never used Jay as he should have been used. Jay IS leading man material... he has the looks and he has the acting ability. Yet, Jay was always secondary to any story. As you said, even the paternity story focused on Melanie and Daniel when it should have been on Philip and Chloe. Philip seemed always to be a prop in other character's stories. It was very frustrating seeing other actors always getting big stories and huge amounts of airtime, while Jay was always in secondary stories. As much as I miss seeing Jay on Days, I am glad he left to pursue other opportunities and opportunities that will give him a chance to show how truly talented he is.
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Post by jaysdelina on Sept 6, 2011 22:32:09 GMT -5
I agree with you on that JF.That's why I'm glad he made the decision to leave.As much as it still hurts that he's gone,I want him to be where he's appreciated both for the person he seems to be,and his talent.
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Post by karebr13 on Sept 6, 2011 23:11:54 GMT -5
Actually in 2008 during the Dock Wars storyline, Philip was a main focus of that storyline and that is why it became my favorite storyline of his during his return to Days plus it allowed him to have that whole fwb thing with Chloe where you couldn't miss the smoking hot chemistry between Jay and Nadia. It seemed like there was an equal focus on both John and Philip in that storyline and Jay was getting a ton of airtime plus he got a real chance to work with a ton of great veteran actors like Drake Hogestyn, Deidre Hall, John Aniston, Lauren Koslow, Peter Reckell, Nadia Bjorlin and many others. In 2009 he was also a big focus of the Dimera/Kiriakis war storyline where he also received a lot of airtime and was given a chance to be a romantic lead in his love story with Stephanie and once again he was working with a lot of veteran actors. He really was given a chance to shine in both those storylines and he really came through especially when he was working opposite of James Scott. It really sucked when the war storyline was suddenly dropped so abruptly because there was a lot more that could have been done with EJ and Philip being enemies. It wasn't until DH decided at the end of 2009 to remove Philip from his parent's orbits and have him focus mainly on his relationship with Melanie that he started to become a supporting character in Melanie and Carly's mother/daughter storyline. I really hated that we never got to see more of a storyline with Philip dealing with Kate's marriage to Stefano. There was a lot that could have been done there but once again the writers chose to ignore exploring more in depth Philip's relationship with his mother and her new husband. I would have liked to have seen Philip go up against Stefano and try to get his mother away from him. Right after the Phelanie wedding and Melanie's shooting everything all of a sudden started to be about Melanie and how she was feeling. There was no reason why Daniel and Melanie should have been the main focus of the ONS/paternity storyline until the reveal was made that Parker was Philip's son until Daniel. It would have been nice if the writers would have had Melanie and Daniel and Carly have a separate storyline focusing on Melanie's relationship with her new parents and then had a different storyline where Philip and Chloe were dealing with the fact that Philip could be the father of Chloe's baby. It would have been nice if the writers could have brought Philip's past with Claire and Tyler into this storyline and focused on what Philip and Chloe were feeling about sharing a child together. Even after the reveal was made Philip still wasn't a big focus and in fact he hardly even had any airtime at all. At the end of January and beginning of February there was almost two weeks where Philip wasn't on at all. The only time he got any airtime was when Chloe was suffering from PPD and she tried to commit suicide and Melanie suffered her miscarriage and we got to see him for two weeks straight every single day. It really sucked that right before Philip's exit that he was on only a couple of times and his exit seemed extremely rushed. There was a lot more that could have been done with his exit to make it more believable that he would just take Parker away from Chloe and leave Salem. It was a real shame that throughout most of 2010 and 2011 that Jay's talents were wasted on really bad material that was almost impossible to make work for him.
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Post by Kpatch on Sept 7, 2011 3:34:08 GMT -5
You said a mouthful, karebr and I agree with every word. As soon as he announced he was leaving, the writers pulled the plug on him and any chance to have something more interesting for him. He was only on a couple times a month from that point forward.
As to his fatherhood, all they did was mention Tyler/Pocket and what an awful father he had been. Never brought up Claire and how devoted he was to her.
My wish for Jay is that he find a long-term starring role worthy of his talents. Hard to believe that hasn't happened yet. My wish for me is to have him back in Salem in meaty front-burner stories and that Philip be given the same kind of attention that Sami has been given for years and years.
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Post by jaysdelina on Sept 7, 2011 7:27:37 GMT -5
Too bad it isn't possible to "Like"a post more than once jkjpatch.I completely agree.I HATE the way they portrayed him as a bad father,because we all know that he was a great father.Not only to Claire,but to Tyler as well as giving him up at that time was the right thing for him to do.He didn't take that decision lightly.If Philip had been in a better place,there's no way he would have given up his child.And look at everything he's done for Parker....that's not a bad father at all.
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Post by fluffysmom on Sept 7, 2011 9:38:35 GMT -5
@karebr - I LOVED your post! I completely agree. There were more wasted opportunities for Philip than we can count. It's ridiculous. As you mentioned there were countless stories to be told that didn't even involve his love life. It still makes me mad that some of his scenes were cut toward the end. I really wanted to see the never shown scene between Kate and Philip at the hospital. I get the feeling a lot of Phloe scenes were cut too.
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Post by karebr13 on Sept 7, 2011 12:13:12 GMT -5
I honestly think that one of the biggest mistakes that DH made IMO in 2010 is that when she had Philip become the owner of Titan TV and made Nicole his ace reporter that nothing more was done with Philip and Nicole working together. Some really good things could have been done with Philip and Nicole working together all the time and confiding in each other about their personal lives. I used to love it during Ejole version 1 when Philip and Nicole would have their little talks about their love lives and give each other advice. Nicole could have ended up being the one person who knew the whole truth besides Philip and Chloe about the ONS and that Philip may have been the father of Chloe's baby and advising them on what to do about it. This is just one of those things that I think would have made the whole ONS/paternity storyline more interesting and would have allowed both Philip and Chloe to have a bigger part in the whole storyline other than they were the ones who cheated and created a baby together.
I have a feeling that the whole Claire thing was never mentioned because DH didn't want to make it look like Philip had way more life experiences than Melanie. Also I think that is why after Philip was paired up with all the younger coeds on the show that his leg thing was never mentioned again. The writers were trying to make Philip younger than he really was just so that he would fit in with the younger age group than the one that he actually belonged in. They were trying to make it look like Philip was only a couple years older than Melanie who was in her early 20's and if the writers would have kept going with Philip's history then it would have made him look a lot older than they wanted him to look especially with all the stuff that had happened to Philip in a few years time span.
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Post by villa281 on Sept 7, 2011 14:57:57 GMT -5
You said a mouthful, karebr and I agree with every word. As soon as he announced he was leaving, the writers pulled the plug on him and any chance to have something more interesting for him. He was only on a couple times a month from that point forward. As to his fatherhood, all they did was mention Tyler/Pocket and what an awful father he had been. Never brought up Claire and how devoted he was to her. My wish for Jay is that he find a long-term starring role worthy of his talents. Hard to believe that hasn't happened yet. My wish for me is to have him back in Salem in meaty front-burner stories and that Philip be given the same kind of attention that Sami has been given for years and years. I agree with everything you said except one the one thing about the writers pulling the plug of Philip when Jay announced he was leaving. The writers pulled the plug on Philip along time before in my opinion. |
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Post by fluffysmom on Sept 7, 2011 14:59:20 GMT -5
@karebr - I think you are right about all of the experiences never being mentioned to make Philip seem younger. I would have loved to see more interaction between Philip and Nicole. They were good together as confidants. The scenario you described would make sense since Chloe did confide about her affair to Nicole. She just never told her that it was Philip.
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Post by villa281 on Sept 7, 2011 15:03:06 GMT -5
@karebr - I LOVED your post! I completely agree. There were more wasted opportunities for Philip than we can count. It's ridiculous. As you mentioned there were countless stories to be told that didn't even involve his love life. It still makes me mad that some of his scenes were cut toward the end. I really wanted to see the never shown scene between Kate and Philip at the hospital. I get the feeling a lot of Phloe scenes were cut too. I really wish the show would have focused on Philip's complex relationships with both of his parents. I agree with what someone posted earlier that the show have dwelled in more on how Kate's marriage to Stefano effected him. I also wish they never would have had Philip return to Titan. Philip took a huge step towards becoming his own man by leaving Titan, and I wish he could have branched off and maybe worked on creating his own company made from the ground up like Victor did. It also would have been nice to see Victor maybe trying to intervene. I like Victor and Philip at each others throuts John Aniston and Jay play off each other well during confrontations scenes. |
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Post by karebr13 on Sept 7, 2011 15:23:45 GMT -5
@karebr - I LOVED your post! I completely agree. There were more wasted opportunities for Philip than we can count. It's ridiculous. As you mentioned there were countless stories to be told that didn't even involve his love life. It still makes me mad that some of his scenes were cut toward the end. I really wanted to see the never shown scene between Kate and Philip at the hospital. I get the feeling a lot of Phloe scenes were cut too. I really wish the show would have focused on Philip's complex relationships with both of his parents. I agree with what someone posted earlier that the show have dwelled in more on how Kate's marriage to Stefano effected him. I also wish they never would have had Philip return to Titan. Philip took a huge step towards becoming his own man by leaving Titan, and I wish he could have branched off and maybe worked on creating his own company made from the ground up like Victor did. It also would have been nice to see Victor maybe trying to intervene. I like Victor and Philip at each others throuts John Aniston and Jay play off each other well during confrontations scenes. I was the one who said that they should have dwelled more on how Kate's marriage to Stefano effected Philip because Philip and Kate have always had a very complicated and interesting mother/son relationship. He may have always been a lot closer to Kate then Victor but whenever Kate hurt him in anyway it took a lot for him to forgive her. I was watching some clips of Philip as a teenager in 2001 when Kate slept with Moroni and Philip caught them and you could really see how hard it was for Philip to forgive Kate for sleeping with Moroni when he wanted Kate to be with Victor. He never fully forgave her until after he almost died in Puerto Rico and realized that he made a lot of mistakes that he wished that he could take back in his relationship with Chloe. I also love it when Victor and Philip are at each other's throats because it makes for a more complex father/son relationship. Jay and John definitely play well off of each other in those kind of scenes. Philip may love his father but at the same time it makes it more interesting that Philip doesn't want to totally be as cold and ruthless as Victor used to be outside of his family. I think that I would rather have seen Philip fighting Brady over control of Titan and proving to Victor that he could run Titan on his own. Victor could try to interfere like he always does but in the end it would be nice to have Philip finally take over control of Titan from Victor and run it his way. |
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Post by villa281 on Sept 7, 2011 15:33:43 GMT -5
I really wish the show would have focused on Philip's complex relationships with both of his parents. I agree with what someone posted earlier that the show have dwelled in more on how Kate's marriage to Stefano effected him. I also wish they never would have had Philip return to Titan. Philip took a huge step towards becoming his own man by leaving Titan, and I wish he could have branched off and maybe worked on creating his own company made from the ground up like Victor did. It also would have been nice to see Victor maybe trying to intervene. I like Victor and Philip at each others throuts John Aniston and Jay play off each other well during confrontations scenes. I was the one who said that they should have dwelled more on how Kate's marriage to Stefano effected Philip because Philip and Kate have always had a very complicated and interesting mother/son relationship. He may have always been a lot closer to Kate then Victor but whenever Kate hurt him in anyway it took a lot for him to forgive her. I was watching some clips of Philip as a teenager in 2001 when Kate slept with Moroni and Philip caught them and you could really see how hard it was for Philip to forgive Kate for sleeping with Moroni when he wanted Kate to be with Victor. He never fully forgave her until after he almost died in Puerto Rico and realized that he made a lot of mistakes that he wished that he could take back in his relationship with Chloe. I also love it when Victor and Philip are at each other's throats because it makes for a more complex father/son relationship. Jay and John definitely play well off of each other in those kind of scenes. Philip may love his father but at the same time it makes it more interesting that Philip doesn't want to totally be as cold and ruthless as Victor used to be outside of his family. I think that I would rather have seen Philip fighting Brady over control of Titan and proving to Victor that he could run Titan on his own. Victor could try to interfere like he always does but in the end it would be nice to have Philip finally take over control of Titan from Victor and run it his way. I agree with you that Philip taking control over Titan propably would have been a better idea than just having him leave altogethor. He could have gone behind Victor's back like Brady did to get the company away from Victor. That would have created some very interesting story for both Victor and Philip. |
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