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Post by sportsgirl on Jul 19, 2011 10:52:41 GMT -5
I have a policy of realizing that people make mistakes but learn from them. I can look at some things I personally have done say just 9 years ago & cringe!
I believe Daniel has changed after what he experienced the last few years. He seems to be much more mature with understanding a woman's needs, and realizes he doesn't want to make the same mistakes with Jenn that he admitted he made with Chloe. It's time to forgive & forget. It's not like he is an evil character like EJ for heaven's sake.
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 19, 2011 10:59:23 GMT -5
Thank you SG! That's exactly the point I was trying to get across in one of my posts.It's not like he's the Anti-Christ or something!
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 19, 2011 11:03:58 GMT -5
He didn't admitt anything .He said twice that he failed Chloe and could have avoided all that if he hadn't. But he admitted it only in words and very quickly agreed with Jennifer that it was all Chloe's fault and that he was blameless.Sorry but that's not admitting anything nor taking responsibility for his actions..He really wants to grow up? He should talk to Chloe, admitt to her that it wans't all her fault,he is responsible as well, he should try to work things out with her..but that of course he would do it only if he truly loved her the way he claimed he ddi ,which he didn't.That's why he did none of the above.
For me he is the worst thing that ever happend to Chloe,the trainwreck in her life,he's no criminal but he surely is no good.Its not because he's good at his job that he's a good person.he sucks.that;s my opinion.I would atke EJ anyday oevr him.At least EJ doesn't pretend to be perfect
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Post by Tom Horton on Jul 19, 2011 11:28:52 GMT -5
I agree that Daniel isn't evil or even criminal ... definitely unethical in his profession but that's typical of Salem. However, I still don't think he has changed or grown as a person... just added a few new phrases to his vocabulary that sound slightly less egotistical than his usual arrogant rants. I still find him obnoxious and creepy and still think Jennifer is slumming and will come to regret it like every other woman before her. Just my opinion and like Delina said earlier, we all see the show and characters differently ... and some of us just aren't as generous or forgiving as others. Oh and just in case there is ever any doubt, there is no character that I find as repulsive as EJ, not even Carrie ... and definitely not Daniel ... but that's not saying much in their favor.  |
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Post by DancingDays on Jul 19, 2011 11:33:34 GMT -5
I don't know if he's grown or what. I think the writers changed, and the new ones forgot (or never knew) his actual history. He's, essentially, a different character than the one that slept with Kate, and "stole" Chloe away from Lucas. It's best to just imagine that he's FauxDaniel. The Daniel of today has very little in common with the Daniel of yester-year, IMO. *shrugs*
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Post by sportsgirl on Jul 19, 2011 12:06:21 GMT -5
One thing I have learned from my husband, is that men see & handle things differently from a woman. Men don't get women because we tend to want them to guess we want things and expect them to know. Men just want you to come out and just ask.
I wonder if Chloe had just told Daniel what was bothering her all the time she was having her self-esteem issues, maybe Daniel would have heard her.
We look at the woman's side since most of us are women. I agree Daniel was not perfect, but it takes two to tango so to speak. Chloe had so many opportunities but chose to instead talk to other people & believe Vivian of all people!! Philip did not put a gun to her head to have sex.
For Philip & Chloe to have had sex so easily, there had to be feelings there for both of them to begin with. This to me also says, Chloe & Daniel were not meant to live happily ever after.
Yes, different writers & different opinions are also agreed here. That's what so great about this forum!!!
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Post by mae00 on Jul 19, 2011 14:19:08 GMT -5
ITA sportsgirl!!!
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Post by Tom Horton on Jul 19, 2011 14:21:08 GMT -5
I agree that Daniel and Chloe weren't meant to last, that was evident from the minute they started their relationship as an affair while Chloe was engaged to another a man ... not to mention while she was a patient of his (one of many affairs for Daniel that began that way). My issues with Daniel are his long term patterns with everyone. I don't like his attitude or interactions with anyone, male or female, romantic or not.
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Post by sportsgirl on Jul 19, 2011 14:51:42 GMT -5
I'll give you one, true it wasn't Vivian directly, but Viv was able to draw on Chloe's insecurities.
and No, I never saw Chloe say to Daniel "Listen to me now" She stuttered & stammered and never stood up for herself. I wish she would have.
And I am actually a Broe fan, not a Phloe fan. I always thought Chloe & Brady were a wonderful couple until the writers decided to break them up and make Brady a drug addict! PUHLEEZE!!
In the end and even in this horrible s/l again Chloe didn't stand up to Quinn. She had the option of speaking up for herself, but she chose not to.
I love Chloe but she disappoints me. Parker needs a strong mom and she needs to get even with both Quinn & Kate.
This is the last I am posting on this as there is no need to keep beating a dead horse... The past is the past & its only a soap opera, not real like Casey Anthony!
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 19, 2011 14:56:21 GMT -5
Where is my message?
Chloe did come to Daniel with her isnecurities and did tell him what was bothering her but he didn't give a dam and they argued everytime.You missed it but there are many scenes where she did.Vivian used Chloe's insecurities,insecurities Daniel created with his behavior.
Before that Chloe trusted him completly,she even defended him to the cops when they told her he was the one who tried to kill her and they found evidence at his place.She trusted him so much and defended him.He ruined that with his behavior.He has no excuse whatsoever for his behavior since the hysterical pregnancy
Chloe didn't believe Viivian but to people she thought had no reason to lie to her when she had proof that Daniel lied to her
Philip didn't hold a gun but he surely didn't back off when Chloe puleld away.there was no feelings whatsoever.it twas alcohol and both would take that night back in a heartbeat
Chloe thinks that she has no choice.she could go to anyone for help.They may help her out of this mess but she would lose her baby if this gets to victor or CPS.She thinks if she gives into Quinn's blackmail,he would have no reason to ruin her chances to get back custody of her child.She doesn;t know that Kate is behind it and wants to destroy her no matter if she gives into the blackmail or not.All she knows is that she doesn't want it to get to Victor's ears because he already framed her for murder so he could pay the juge to deny her custody.Same with CPS.
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Post by mae00 on Jul 19, 2011 15:04:38 GMT -5
sportsgirl - dont' even get me started on casey anthony!!
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Post by sportsgirl on Jul 19, 2011 15:07:22 GMT -5
sportsgirl - dont' even get me started on casey anthony!! Exactly!!! LOL |
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Post by Trey on Jul 19, 2011 15:08:54 GMT -5
Chloe did go to Dan about her insecurities in his and Carly's relationship. She had the affair based on her own distrust and the proof that Vivian planted for her to find.
After the pregnancy, Chloe went to Daniel multiple times to tell him about the affair, etc., but he talked over her and put words in her mouth every time. As time dragged on, it became more difficult for her to tell him of the affair.
Should she have?
I don't think it'd have made an impact one way or another for the couple. I think he'd have bolted just as quickly if she had. Their love affair was not based on love or respect. It was based on sex. Every time they had an argument, they'd end up in bed. You hardly saw Chloe/Daniel together when he wasn't telling her how beautiful she was, or them in the sheets.
Bottom line, Chloe was a trophy to Daniel and a sexual conquest, not a friend or a soul mate.
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Post by Tom Horton on Jul 19, 2011 15:15:26 GMT -5
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