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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 18, 2011 20:57:47 GMT -5
Everyone here watches this show,yet takes something different away from each scene and that's fine.Daniel and Carly DID ruin Mel's life in the sense that one never knew she existed and the other gave her up,not realizing she was going to be adopted by a monster.That's how I took Daniel's comment to Mel. As for the rest,what man ISN'T going to agree with a woman stroking his ego?Jennifer has blinders on,especially when she gets something in her head.She's PO'd at Jack right now and is trying to convince herself she's doing the right thing with Daniel.We both know how that's going to turn out I'm sure.We're talking about the girl who didn't want him until her best friend didn't want him,then she went for it.So I don't take much stalk in what Jenn has to say about Daniel's mistakes.Jenn has made plenty herself. Lastly,you said actions speak louder than words.I agree with that most of the time.However,a person can't pay penance for the rest of their life for their mistakes.There comes a time when you have to forgive not only the person/people who hurt you,but you have to forgive yourself as well.Otherewise how are you expected to move on with your life?I've said and done plenty of really stupid things in my life,does that mean I don't deserve forgiveness?If I admit to my mistakes and pay for them,should people keep throwing them up in my face just because they can?Just a thought... Except Daniel didn't pay.Everyone treats him like he is a poor victim and God's gift to women,like he's perfect and any woman would be blessed to have him in her life.The only one who is paying is Chloe.Daniel was over Chloe and his "undying love for her" in a week, was already into Jennifer,didn't blink an eye when the so called love of his life was about to die and didn't look back.When did he pay? And no he wasn't talking about Carly and him?He was talking about Chloe and Philip.He thinks he and his daughter did nothing wrong. Not only Daniel didn't forgive Chloe,he thinks he doesn't need forgiveness for everything he put Chloe through since the hysteriocal pregnancy.I have seen so sign of pain,hurt from Daniel and surely no forgiveness towards Chloe. Chloe not only forgave him but took him off the hook taking all the blame for what happened.... |
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 18, 2011 21:00:37 GMT -5
That's your opinion and that's fine.I can respect that.It's the great thing about this board.I feel differently,and I saw things differently just as I'm sure many people did.I'm just glad we can all come together and discuss a show we all enjoy to varying degrees.
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 18, 2011 21:03:08 GMT -5
Sure.We don't have to agree.
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Post by Trey on Jul 18, 2011 21:04:06 GMT -5
I disagree, extreme...he did pay. He lost his perfect marriage and the right to father Parker.
He didn't work it out with Chloe, and I agree, at this point he doesn't deserve her (he didn't do right by her).
People did treat him like a wounded bird, and just like in real life, they would do the same. He was cuckold. He was wronged. The woman he loved had a child from another man.
But, we all know that there's more to the story. We got to see what Daniel couldn't and wouldn't.
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 18, 2011 21:07:46 GMT -5
I completely agree with you TreyDawgg!  |
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 18, 2011 21:17:10 GMT -5
I disagree, extreme...he did pay. He lost his perfect marriage and the right to father Parker. He didn't work it out with Chloe, and I agree, at this point he doesn't deserve her (he didn't do right by her). People did treat him like a wounded bird, and just like in real life, they would do the same. He was cuckold. He was wronged. The woman he loved had a child from another man. But, we all know that there's more to the story. We got to see what Daniel couldn't and wouldn't. I disagree. He didn't lose anything. He bailed out on his relationship with Chloe the day Carly and Melanie got into his life.Chloe became the last of his concerns and he put Carly before Chloe ever since,.Chloe asked him to bring his daughter home so they could bond.But that wasn't enough for him.He was all over Carly.If the ons ended Danloe,It was Daniel who wrecked it long before the ons with his behavior. Parker?He didn't give a dam about him. He didn't even ask for a 2nd paternity test before dumping him like yesterday's garbage. Oh poor Daniel he was wronged.How about Chloe who was wronged by him long before he got "wronged"? Why no one was there for her and treated her the way they treated him?No one believed Daniel loved Chloe and he prove them right.They all though he was blinded by her "assets" and you know what?He proved them all right. The woman he loved?He surely didn't love Chloe.If he did,he wouldn't have behaved with her the way he did since the hsterical pregnancy.If he did love her,nothing of all that would have happened.As simple as that.Love is not rgeeat promises,words and sex.Love has to be proven by actions.Daniel didn nothing to prove he loved Chloe.Nothing at all.His lips said one thing,his actions said the oppsoite. |
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 18, 2011 21:55:26 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is Philip and Chloe didn't have to cheat,so they weren't innocent either.If you want to blame only Daniel and have Chloe come out poor innocent victim,that's cool with me,but I feel it's not the case.I am ending my part of the discussion right here before it gets out of hand.
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 18, 2011 22:19:17 GMT -5
There is no reason it goes out of hands.
Chloe and Philip were drunk. Chloe was minding her own buisness.She was home alone.It was Philip who came to her and hit on her.They were out of contorl because of alcohol.What was Daniel and Melanie's excuse for their behavior? At least Chloe tried to talk to Daniel, to work things out, she came to him with her insecurities long before the ons, but he tossed her aside and turned his back on her. Philip didn't even try to talk to Melanie before getting drunk and hitting on Chloe. Chloe has been dealing with Daniel's behvaior for months before having a drunken ons with Philip. She though Daniel left her for Carly,that her life with Daniel was over,that he chose Carly over her.
For me Chloe is an innocent victim since the hsyterical pregnancy,because the people who were supposed to be there for her at one of the worst times of her life failed her: Her parents and her fiance/husband.
My point is that you can't push someone to the edeg and blame them when they break down,fall apart.That's exactly whaht Daniel did to Chloe. Chloe was sick, emotionally vulnerable since the hysterical pregnancy and since she got the news she had only 2% of chances of ever getting pregnant.Daniel should have been there for her supoporitng her and helping her deal with iot.Instead he was all over Carly and throwing Carly at Chloe's face all the time,defending Carly to Chloe all the time,putting Carly before Chloe all the time.He pushed her to the edge and now acts like he's an innocent and blameless victim.
I know that this is a pro-Philip/Phloe baord.But the fact that Phloe's fans like Daniel now that he's out of Chloe's life doesn't change the facts and what he's done to Chloe. Now that he's out of Chloe's life doesn't make him a better man. He would have been a better man if he had actually kept his promises,forgiven Chloe and tried to work things out with her.he's till the heartless,hypoctitical selfish jerk. He didn't grow up at all.
let's agree to disagree
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Post by shi22 on Jul 18, 2011 22:41:17 GMT -5
Philip and Chloe were definitely wrong for cheating, but Daniel and Melanie were the ones who were painted as victims. It's hard to drum up any sympathy for a guy who was so willing to cheat with a married woman and had a child through a one night stand with another married woman. Melanie wasn't innocent either.
I didn't mind watching Philip and Chloe deal with the consequences of their actions after the fallout, but it did annoy me to watch Salem's most sanctimonious father-daughter duo act as if they were the injured party and did nothing wrong.
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Post by ghoulgirl on Jul 18, 2011 23:34:18 GMT -5
I did feel for Daniel because I cannot imagine thinking a child is mine, only to find out my daughter's husband fathered it!
Again, I still don't overly like how he treated Chloe when they were together, but I love him and Jennifer together. They get each other and are really cute together. I liked him telling her he would wait for her. I thought it was sweet.
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 19, 2011 0:28:38 GMT -5
You see, I can' stand him with Jennifer or any other woman because has lost all credibility in my eyes, and because he acts like he and his daughter are perfect,are poor innocent victims.Their love for Chloe and Philip was fake ..If he loved and cared so much about this child he would have accpeted him no matter what,....It's not like Chloe had a affair for months.It was a drunken ons that was a consequence of his and his daughter's behavior.If these relationships meant anything at all to them ,they would have treated Chloe and Philip differently.
Daniel got hurt alright.But only in his ego.If he truly loved Chloe and Parker,he would have at least tried to work things out. He would have at least asked for a 2nd paternity test to confirm he's not the father before dumping them both.He reacted as if he couldn't wait to get rid of both of them,as if he was looking for any excuse to end his relationship with Chloe. And you know what? He was.He did tell her they were over since a very long time,when it was only since a couple of days and given how fast he got over her and moved on without even looking back, they surely were over since a very long time..Because they were indeed over since the hysterical pregnancy.
You see if Daniel loved Chloe and Parker the way he claimed he did,he would have recated differently,very differently.
1) Whe would ahve at least taken 5 minutes to sit and talk to Chloe,listen to her and try to work things out
2)He would have at least asked for a 2nd paternity test
3)We would have at least seen one,just one moment of him having a flashback of him and Chloe and him struggeling with his pain and love
3)No matter how angry,hurt ,upset he wis about the woman he claims he loved so much,was the so called love of his life, when he was about to lose her forever with her suicide attempt,his true feeling show up,no matter what.And they did,He couldn't care less if she lived or died. Oh but when he saw her with Quinn he showed jealousy pretending he was "concerned".So he couldn;t care less if she lived or died but was "concerned" when he saw her with another man.Because his huge ego couldn't take it.
5) He wouldn'thave called CPS causing Chloe to lose her baby.He would have seen she was going through a very severe PPD long before the reveal and things would have been different. But nothing new here.He failed to see she was falling apart right before his eyes after the hsyterical pregnancy or saw it and couidln't care less so not surprised he failed to see she was going through PPD.He didn't because he coudln;' care less just like since the hysterical pregnancy.Chloe didn't matter to him anymore.
6) Phiklip ebing his "sn uin alw" isn;t teh rpobeklm at all fopr Daniel.he enver said anything about that at all.Actually ,he told jenniofer that he faield Chloe so she ran to "an old friend".Not to "my son in law,my daughter's husband".That isn't a problem at all for him
And last but not least,it's very simple; If he truly loved Chloe the way he claimed he did, he would have need time to process it all but eventually he would have come around and told her:"I forgive you because I am as much responsible for what happend as you are,so please forgive me too. I love you and this baby no matter what because he is part of you,and there is no part of you I don't love" and he would have worked things out with her.
Why woud we expect that from him?Because thats' the kind of love he claimed he felt for Chhloe.But it was just words,meaningless words. That is love,that's how he would have proven his love for Chloe. Because Chloe did love him and him only.He didn't.Instead he dumped her in a heartbeat and within a week was into jennifer and acts now as if Chloe and Parker never existed in his life. And I'm supposed to believe in his so called love for jennifer?
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Post by Carla on Jul 19, 2011 2:24:36 GMT -5
I'm not convinced just yet... for me, saying Daniel has grown up is like saying EJ has changed.
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Post by extrememakeover on Jul 19, 2011 2:51:50 GMT -5
I'm not convinced just yet... for me, saying Daniel has grown up is like saying EJ has changed. Same here.The day he will talk to Chloe ,admitting to her his share of responsibility and admitting he acted like a heartless hypcoritical judgemental jerk with her,will be the beginning of him growing up. |
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Post by Tom Horton on Jul 19, 2011 8:17:31 GMT -5
I'm not convinced just yet... for me, saying Daniel has grown up is like saying EJ has changed. I totally agree!! Everything about Daniel screams immature to me right down to his clothes, that silly necklace and the way he talks - he's like an overaged frat boy IMO ... a very coddled overaged frat boy. Everyone in town acts and talks like Daniel is the second coming and I don't see how he could ever truly change or grow with everyone in Salem always giving him a pass on everything he does wrong and nothing but sympathy when he finally sees the tiniest bit of natural consequences for his own actions. One little conversation with Jennifer and a few statements of regret that served as opportunities for another Salemite to tell the audience what a great guy he is doesn't impress me. In typing this I just realized why I dislike Daniel so much - he is the male version of Carrie. It's perfectly okay if she (he) cheats but the second someone does something similar to her (him) Sami (Chloe) is evil incarnate and the whole town is completely in Carrie's (Dan's) corner and everyone gangs up against Sami (Chloe) ...... and then to make it even more infuriating they send her (him) whining about how this is all her (his) fault to every character in Salem so they can each confirm to the audience that Carrie (Dan) is blameless and wonderful in every way. |
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Post by Trey on Jul 19, 2011 10:45:38 GMT -5
In a way, Kazz, you're right. I didn't like the Carrie story line either. LOL
But, seeing Daniel with a clean slate and not up to the same ole Daniel tricks makes him a little more human. It's refreshing seeing him with Jennifer (someone who is an emotional equal).
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