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Post by Kpatch on May 5, 2011 22:32:56 GMT -5
I am tres disappointed in Victor for being so immovable that he cannot abide Maggie helping Chloe. I really wanted to hear Maggie say listen, you big idiot, she's the mother of your grandson. But I'm sure he would have had a sharp comeback for that like he always does.
Made me think Maggie is way better off without him. However, after waiting for 70+ years to find the right woman, I would think Victor's priorities may have shifted. Then again, he's lived without a soulmate for this long. I guess it's not a priority. Sigh.
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Post by fluffysmom on May 5, 2011 22:45:55 GMT -5
I was expecting her to mention that too. How many of the women that he got pregnant were married to another man at the time? If he can't dial down his hatred and name calling toward Chloe then Maggie should stay away from him.
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Post by nocturnalblondie on May 6, 2011 4:10:21 GMT -5
Maybe I deserve to be slapped over this, but Magic has been annoying the crap out of me as of lately. And I used to ship them crazily - I thought they were the cutest thing in the world! I was torn between which couples I liked best between Stefano/Kate and them, and I LOVE State, so that was just insane to have them be to the point of that level with me. Now, let's just say State is MILES and MILES and MILES and MILES ahead.
Am I the only one feeling this way? The hot and cold thing was cute at first - it worked given their inexperience in the dating department... but now after months (actually I think it's coming to the year mark) of she loves me, she loves me not... NOT WORKING. They're not teenagers, what is up with that permanent mentality as if they are?
*Ducks and hides*
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Post by DancingDays on May 6, 2011 8:39:45 GMT -5
That's interesting, NB, because I don't see them as being immature, just insecure. Well, Victor is insecure. Maggie is fine with who she is and where she is. I see her as more like "Listen, if you want to be with me, that's fine. I like you too. But this is how it's gonna be...." And kudos to her! She is able to look outside of herself and help those in need. Victor's life is like Jenga (remember that game?  ). Little pieces keep getting taken away (Philip leaving; Brady taking over Titan; Anything with Vivian, etc) that he's afraid one more change (forgiving Chloe) will make everything tumble. If he admits that he's wrong, that could mean that he's wrong about everything else in his life. We all know the world isn't that black and white, but that's just how Victor is. "You wrong me once, and we're over for good." Frankly, I'm amazed that he can even still talk to Kate, much less have a decent relationship with her. But maybe Maggie can help him color up his world and learn to forgive. Or at least not hate. |
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Post by Kpatch on May 6, 2011 8:47:19 GMT -5
Great analysis DD!
Maggie was lost when Mickey died, but she found out that she is strong and can stand on her own two feet and live happily without a man in her life. Hardly any other Salem women can say that. I'm proud of Maggie.
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Post by DancingDays on May 6, 2011 9:09:38 GMT -5
Great analysis DD! Maggie was lost when Mickey died, but she found out that she is strong and can stand on her own two feet and live happily without a man in her life. Hardly any other Salem women can say that. I'm proud of Maggie. Thanks lady! I've always seen Maggie as the one I'd like to have as my Grandma, or maybe a Great Aunt. Plus, I adore Suzanne. There's so much fire behind her eyes and I love it. As wonderful as Alice was, I always sort of felt like she was a little too judgemental. I don't feel that at all from Maggie. In fact, it's almost the exact opposite. Alice was the old school grandma. Maggie is the new cool/modern one. Alice expected life to be like it was. Maggie looks for opportunity to grow. But I could be totally wrong. It's just how I see it. |
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Post by nocturnalblondie on May 6, 2011 9:12:48 GMT -5
Insecure is a way better word. In my defense I've been drugged up on painkillers all week due to my wisdom teeth being pulled out, haha! Insecure is more where I was trying to get at, it makes more sense than my immature. I don't know, I've just really lost the "Magic" appeal. It's always the same old, same old with those two, and at first it was alright... but at this point, I'm tired of having Maggie find different ways every week to tell Victor he's a pompous jackass. I'd like progression, any kind of progression... and at this point it's just like every week I wait to see what screw up Victor will do to setback the relationship. It's just boring!
It might just be me though!
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Post by jaysdelina on May 6, 2011 9:19:20 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on this one,don't kill me!
I like Vic and Maggie,although yes,the back and forth is getting old.
When Steph was on the show,I considered her to be the truth teller of the show.For right or wrong,she told it like it was,and most of the time,if not all the time,she was right on the money.
In this case,BOTH Vic and Maggie are the truth tellers of the show.But in an interesting contrast,neither of them is wrong.I may not be fond of Chloe right now,but Maggie is right in saying that Chloe has a good heart despite her many mistakes.With that being said,Vic isn't wrong either.Chloe since 2007 has been written to pretty much destroy anything she touches,Brady (although he's the one responsible for his drug use),Philip,Lucas,Daniel.All heavy mistakes with serious ramifications.Vic has been right in his assessment that Chloe is acting slutty without thought to how her actions will affect anyone else BEFORE she acts.She's heavily into self gratification and only thinks of the consequences AFTER she's acted.Yes Vivian had something to do with Chloe's latest screw up,yes Daniel did as well.YES alcohol played a part in it as well.NO no one held a gun to Chloe's head and said "Sleep with Philip,trash his marriage and yours".
Chloe has been written as an irresponsible,self gratification junkie.Act now,blame everyone else later.She is unable or unwilling to take responsibility for herself.No,I'm not trying to be harsh,but it is what it is IMO.It's what I see on my screen everyday.I agree with jkjpatch who said "Chloe has gone to the school of hard knocks".While this is true,I have to point out that many have gone to the same school,including myself,but not everyone reacts the way Chloe does,many pick themselves up,dust themselves off,and make changes in their lives,Chloe wallows and blames everyone else for her troubles.Has anyone noticed that she blames Philip?While he's responsible for part of the mess,he's not pouring the booze down her throat,he didn't push her to try to take her own life,he didn't push her into the ONS.Yes she is insecure,but she always has been.Once upon a time,she would have kicked ass from here to kingdom come regardless of her insecurities,now she lets them eat her alive.
So I say good on Vic for trying to get Maggie to see one side of Chloe,while good on Maggie for trying to get Vic to see the other side.
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Post by Kpatch on May 6, 2011 9:27:34 GMT -5
Funny you mention Stephanie, Delina, because Victor and Maggie have been reminding me of Stephanie and Philip. I thought they were a really cute couple in the beginning, but Stephanie's ultimatums and breakups/makeups wore me out and I couldn't wait for them to break up permanently.
I'm not at that point yet with the "Magic," but Victor's self-righteousness is getting tiresome.
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Post by jaysdelina on May 6, 2011 9:31:28 GMT -5
Oh I agree!I'm just saying in all the self righteousness he isn't totally off base,but neither is Maggie.And yes,I can see the Steph/Philip angle too,although lately on most days,I'm not sure who's who if that makes sense,lol.
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Post by DancingDays on May 6, 2011 9:32:03 GMT -5
The biggest hurdle these two face is that they both think they are right and, to a degree, they are. If I had two sons, and the same girl essentially ruined BOTH of their lives, I'd be pretty POed at her too. And I wouldn't want her any where near anyone in my family. However, there are always TWO people (at least) in every realtionship. Philip (as much as we love him) bears just as much responsibility as Chloe. Brady too. Chloe was never in these relationships alone, therefore, she shouldn't be forced to bear the brunt of the fallout alone. But she is, in effect, all alone. I can't say I blame her for self-destructing and drinking to ease the pain. I don't endorse it, but I understand it. Thankfully, Maggie sees the path she is on (as she was on it before) and wants to step in before it gets out of hand. I think Victor just wants Chloe to go away. Move. Dead. Whatever. As long as she's out of Salem. And if he can't get passed this, he WILL lose Maggie. So Victor has to decide which is more important to him. Love or hate?
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Post by sportsgirl on May 6, 2011 9:34:54 GMT -5
I have been so proud of Maggie standing up for her rights... No man should ever rule a woman as many other women on the show let happen to them.
Maggie has a kind soul and it was one of the things that attracted Victor to her & now he is trying to take that away?
Victor needs to realize that if he wants to be with Maggie he has to let her be Maggie and not someone she is not.
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Post by Trey on May 6, 2011 10:15:07 GMT -5
DD-really? I never saw Alice like that. She would go to any lengths to help those she loved, and was often going against tradition and being ornery. I loved Alice for that. She wasn't just going to roll over and let her family be wounded, and always brought out the best in people. I think that Maggie does honor to both Alice and to herself by carrying on that tradition.
I was very proud of Maggie for standing up for herself. Victor is used to people bending to his will or going against his back. He's found a real woman in Maggie. She's not going to compromise her morals and what she believes in for a man. She has been through hell with her past (and even more rock bottom than where Chloe is), and learned from it. She's evolved.
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Post by ghoulgirl on May 6, 2011 10:38:44 GMT -5
I have loved their relationship. The buildup was great and I love that they didnt rush into
It but this whole Chloe thing is wrecking it for me. I can't believe they have them fighting about this. Victor needs to man up and get the he'll
Over it!
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Post by DancingDays on May 6, 2011 11:04:07 GMT -5
I could be wrong (and I often am). It's just how I remember her later in life.
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). Little pieces keep getting taken away (Philip leaving; Brady taking over Titan; Anything with Vivian, etc) that he's afraid one more change (forgiving Chloe) will make everything tumble. If he admits that he's wrong, that could mean that he's wrong about everything else in his life. We all know the world isn't that black and white, but that's just how Victor is. "You wrong me once, and we're over for good." Frankly, I'm amazed that he can even still talk to Kate, much less have a decent relationship with her. But maybe Maggie can help him color up his world and learn to forgive. Or at least not hate.
