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Post by heroicmuse on Oct 19, 2015 22:17:34 GMT -5
JJ could benefit from having a sponsor, but when he gave up drugs he just gave them up, period, without following a program. It's been written like everyone just assumes because he decided he wants to be sober that he will never have a drug problem again. The whole JJ/Eve debacle was addiction in action and he did some drinking for a while but nobody seemed to care about that because he wasn't smoking pot.
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Post by fluffysmom on Oct 19, 2015 22:25:51 GMT -5
Maybe he is being viewed as a recreational user rather than an addict. In Teresa's case that was clearly mentioned but I'm not sure about JJ. He could definitely benefit from some friends or family being invested in his well being and supporting him.
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Post by twinklingmoon on Oct 20, 2015 22:06:04 GMT -5
Yes, they could develop a closer relationship. My point was that the lack of closeness isn't because of the new writers. None of the past writers have developed a close sibling relationship for them. I see your point. I don't know why writers consistently squander this opportunity *scratches head*. |
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Post by twinklingmoon on Oct 20, 2015 22:23:17 GMT -5
I have to say, my feelings towards this writing team are headed towards disappointment. They have had 3 major scenes with huge potential, but ultimately left me feeling like something was lacking.
First, Will's funeral. There is a whole thread basically discussing what was wrong/missing from that scene (i.e. as in all the characters who were missing from the funeral but should have attended)
Second, Andre's big reveal. Again, it would have been more powerful if more characters were present during that scene. All that scene accomplished was to tell everyone he is in town. So what was the point of him "hiding" in DiMera mansion in the first place? They could have just brought him back to town with a pardon right from the beginning.
Third, Ben's confession to Clyde. So much silliness with that scene (i.e. why confess in a police station, no clear motive for the first few killings, nothing yet cleared up regarding all of Clyde's crimes in Salem). Essentially, this scene left me with more questions than answers, many of which I asked in the thread devoted to this scene.
So it seems to me that these writers are good at setting up the idea of big, bold, scenes, but when it comes to executing them, they fall short. I hope I am wrong and that going forward they just floor me with their writing. Here's hoping! |
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Post by UhSir on Nov 4, 2015 12:56:44 GMT -5
Here's what's really bugging me: Why didn't Bo call Victor after talking to Caroline? Better yet, Steve should have called Kayla then handed the phone to Bo. I'm all for suspending disbelief but this story is making me want to get a lobotomy. I'm having a hard time being patient until the house-cleaning/anniversary stories are finished.
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Post by wendylou on Nov 4, 2015 14:06:00 GMT -5
Here's what's really bugging me: Why didn't Bo call Victor after talking to Caroline? Better yet, Steve should have called Kayla then handed the phone to Bo. I'm all for suspending disbelief but this story is making me want to get a lobotomy. I'm having a hard time being patient until the house-cleaning/anniversary stories are finished. You know, that's a very good point. Everyone knows Steve went to go find Bo and they know HE's alive. So why didn't he call any of them, Victor, Kayla, John even, and say, "I've got him. He's alive, with me, and we're coming home." Instead he lets Bo call the one person who everyone already thinks is half-crazy. |
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Post by unavitasegreta on Nov 4, 2015 20:05:02 GMT -5
Here's what's really bugging me: Why didn't Bo call Victor after talking to Caroline? Better yet, Steve should have called Kayla then handed the phone to Bo. I'm all for suspending disbelief but this story is making me want to get a lobotomy. I'm having a hard time being patient until the house-cleaning/anniversary stories are finished. You know, that's a very good point. Everyone knows Steve went to go find Bo and they know HE's alive. So why didn't he call any of them, Victor, Kayla, John even, and say, "I've got him. He's alive, with me, and we're coming home." Instead he lets Bo call the one person who everyone already thinks is half-crazy. It sounds like we're all bugged by the same stuff! And Victor owns that plane. Shouldn't someone have called him by now to say it's crashed? Or maybe Victor should have thought "oh, wait, Caroline says she talked to Bo ... I should check in with the guy I've sent all over the world to find my son! Maybe Steve found him..." |
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Post by fluffysmom on Nov 4, 2015 21:15:45 GMT -5
I agree that Victor and/or John should have been called but then we wouldn't have a road trip and Hope being in the dark that Bo is actually on his way back.
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Post by twinklingmoon on Nov 5, 2015 23:37:43 GMT -5
oh, gosh! Happy to see I am not the only one annoyed by this "return of Bo" with absolutely no logic whatsoever. I agree with everything everyone has said. Bo and Steve should both have realized that Caroline's claims that she had spoken to her son who has been missing for years would not be believed by anyone given her history of dementia. Steve should absolutely have called Kayla, or at least Victor, as folks have pointed out that the plane was Victor's.
I think this whole "50 years of Days" celebration has been very disappointing, or at the very least, fell short of my expectations. Too many things out of left field and too many things noticeably absent or illogical.
- I think the "50th" anniversary should have focused one event with all the characters from the cast attending, incorporating backstories/memories. For instance, they could have had the celebration around Holiday season, Christmas or Thanksgiving, where the whole cast was at one big party which celebrated the town's 200th anniversary or maybe an event celebrating the hospital, as everyone seems to be connected to the hospital in someway or another and Tom Horton was a doctor there. Then during that celebratory event folks could reflect on different moments in their lives. The reason why I say holiday season is because centering the celebration around Hope and Bo's reuniting seems arbitrary. There are too many supercouples on this show to pick just one as "the' couple whose reunification the entire 50th anniversary of the show centers on. Plus, by centering it on a couple, then only some characters make sense to have in attendance in the scene, (i.e. not everyone is friends with Hope and Aiden to be at their wedding, such as Loni, or even Kate, or how about Nicole? is she or Daniel friends with them?) Having a town wide celebration allows the entire cast to be there, instead of a private party only for some characters/guest to be in attendance.
- I thought having a Horton "family picture" at Hope's wedding without Shawn D in the picture (even though he came home just for this wedding), and no Ciara in the picture, was silly. Meanwhile, Shawn's wife and daughter who are also connected to major characters on this show, were not in this wedding and hence not in the photograph. Maybe they should have had a complete "Horton" portrait. For goodness sakes! Maggie is in the picture, but not Lucas' granddaughter or Abby? I don't even think Ciara was in the wedding picture.
- How can we have a 50th celebration, and have Abby, the next generation of Hortons kidnapped and no one even knows? She should have been in whatever alternate celebration they may have had instead of Bo/Hope reunion. It would have been a chance for her to reflect on the loss of Jack...a way to bring his memory as part of the 50th.
- A big town event would have also allowed the DiMera clan to be in attendance. With it being Hope's wedding, they actually had to leave. But if it was a big town party, like New Year's or something, it would have been public space. It might not be a lovey-dovey feeling with the presence of the DiMeras but no one can deny they have a big part in the history of the characters of this show and hence Salem.
- A major character, lead character, was absent from this "50th" celebration...Sami. Love her or hate her, she was a major character. Bringing her for Will's funeral and then shipping her off was just silly. She could have returned for a happy occasion, with her kids. It is odd to have a major character absent from a 50th celebration event.
- Interesting that when Jennifer put together the album of "great love stories of Salem" she put in herself and Jack, despite from what I understand ultimately was a tumultuous relationship, and we find no Sami and EJ. That's the problem with the way the writers chose to celebrate the 50th. They had characters return at various points in time for different reasons, but nothing that gave the audience the sense of one big reunion/celebration to the show. How can we have Sami/EJ in an album put together by Jennifer, given EJ/Abby's history? Plus, a lot of folks are not comfortable with the Sami/EJ relationship. But at least if it was a town-wide celebration, minus a private wedding, where all the characters got together, they could have had Sami there with her kids, representing EJ in a way. Even having Stefano at the same event would have given him the opportunity to remember his children that have passed. For instance, if the event was some sort of celebration about the hospital, memories of Lexi could have been brought up, maybe even through Chad and his suggestion to Kayla about a scholarship in Lexi's honor. Of course, that would require an earlier wrap up to this neck tie killer and have Chad free.
Anyhow, the point I am making is that once again the writers missed out on an opportunity to really celebrate the show and characters that would give the characters a reason to all come together in some way, creating a sense to the viewer that it was a recognition of the show's past and an appreciation for all the dedicated viewers.
Right now the 50th celebration feels very fractured, with different characters returning at different points in time for odd reasons and no logic. And when these characters return, there are no real scenes connecting folks in ways that make sense or have meaning.
Here we have a 50th anniversary with Abby kidnapped and no one knows, the DiMeras totally out of the picture with one in jail and Andre/Stefano back at the mansion, no Sami, no return of Kim/Shane or Carrie/Austin, Shawn D is back with no real scenes with Ciara and no Clare/Belle, we have Paul added as part of John Black's missing family, but he isn't even present for the 50th celebration, etc. I could go on, but is the point?
Again, this show had so much potentially in its storytelling/remembrance of characters past/present, but to me it has just fallen flat. I will still watch, but for folks who are long time dedicated viewers, I just feel bad. You guys deserve better 
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Post by UhSir on Nov 6, 2015 0:27:58 GMT -5
I'm not giving up yet. The flyers a few months ago said November 9 so hopefully next week we'll get lots of 50th celebrating.
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Post by jenjen101 on Nov 6, 2015 2:16:36 GMT -5
You know, that's a very good point. Everyone knows Steve went to go find Bo and they know HE's alive. So why didn't he call any of them, Victor, Kayla, John even, and say, "I've got him. He's alive, with me, and we're coming home." Instead he lets Bo call the one person who everyone already thinks is half-crazy. It sounds like we're all bugged by the same stuff! And Victor owns that plane. Shouldn't someone have called him by now to say it's crashed? Or maybe Victor should have thought "oh, wait, Caroline says she talked to Bo ... I should check in with the guy I've sent all over the world to find my son! Maybe Steve found him..." I thought the EXACT same thing! Why didn't Steve or Bo call someone they thought was somewhat lucid? Like Victor, Roman, Kayla, or what about John? And you're right, wouldn't Victor have been told his jet crashed? I don't get it at all! |
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Post by jenjen101 on Nov 6, 2015 2:40:21 GMT -5
Ok I have to admit I've been much more into Days since the new/past writers. Hers what's I like so far-
-I love the fact that Steve is back in Salem. I've always enjoyed him in the past & I like the idea of him stating.
-I like that they've also brought back Bo. I'm sorry but to me Days was all about the close loving relationships between Bo/Hope, Steve/Kayla, John/Marlena, Victor/Maggie, etc.
-The Brady & possibly Theresa working things out. Yes they had a horrible rocky first go of it, but Tate has definitely brought them closer-which I think is the right way to go in the storyline.
-Having Sami return. She's just the best & to me Days isn't Days w/out her.
-Having Shawn D & hopefully Belle back. I've missed them both since they went to GH.
What I cannot stand-
-Caroline being psychic is just dumb dumb dumb! She an old woman & of course her family is going to think she's nuts. Dumb dumb storyline.
-Dr Dan not being involved in very much, especially w/Nicole.
-Will being killed. Unnecessary in my opinion.
-Eve & Justin. I like the idea of Adrianne & Lucas, but Eve to me is just skanky, & Justin is way out of her league.
-Biggest complaint!!!! Aging all the kids-Ciarra, Chase, & Theo. I think that was a horrible mistake & I enjoyed little spoiled Ciara snotty pants! She was the perfect little girl of Hope & Bo.
-Aiden's "new" killer persona. I understand he's got to come between Hope & Bo, but killing her is just a stupid idea, as we all know Days wont kill her off.
-And what about the idea of EJ being alive? I'll admit I've enjoyed seeing many(most) of Days dead actors return, but EJ? Would he make his kids go thru thinking he was dead? I don't think so.
-Turning dear sweet Abigail into a complete idiot!! How did this smart beautiful cookie turn into an utter fool? & sticking by the jealous psychopath Ben I'll never understand.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Days. I agree the storylines have mostly improved & have been more excited to see what's going on in Salem. I think the writing before was getting very bad, especially w/the non stop Nicole/Eric/Daniel story. Not to mention the Serena/Zander story that went on forever.
All is like to see is Chad proven innocent & also finding out Abby's baby is his. Bo & Hope need to work on their issues, & Steve & Kayla need to do the same. I give the writing prior a C-, & now a B, B+.
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Post by Kpatch on Nov 6, 2015 6:07:05 GMT -5
Welcome jenjen101. Really enjoying your posts. Your description of Eve as skanky is perfect! |
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Post by Trey on Nov 6, 2015 21:32:02 GMT -5
I love a lot of the stories right now.
Bo and Steve coming back (love those two!) They play off each other so well.
Bo/John/Steve seeing what damage their "adventures" has caused within their families
Ben/Abigail/Chad in jail
Theresa/Kate/Nicole working together. I'd like to really see these three interact and backstab each other.
Andre coming back
More Lucas (always a bonus!)
JJ/Gabi friendship (and where it may lead).
The writing is smart and fun. I love the history woven into the stories. I love that stories aren't taking forever to resolve... however...
I don't like that the stories are going so fast, that it's missing some opportunities (as mentioned above).
I don't like a lot of the violence (esp. in flashback scenes. Once was enough thank you.)
I wish Sami didn't have to come back. I didn't miss her.
I don't see why Will had to die. I'm still scratching my head.
Aiden's attempt on killing Hope. I'd have preferred her have married Aiden happily and had to choose once she knew the truth about where Bo was and why.
Caroline's recovery. I'd have liked a more honest Alzheimer's story, too.
Where did Daniel and Nicole go?
What's happening with Eric? Why is he always mad?
John and Marlena back to wedded bliss.
The death of Paul and Sonny...over before they begin.
Change of Justin's character.
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Post by Kpatch on Nov 9, 2015 22:25:55 GMT -5
Anyone keeping track of the new writers' body count? Too many is what I say. And apparently, they're just warming up. Ugh.
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