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Post by twinklingmoon on Jun 30, 2015 23:13:43 GMT -5
Sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum for this topic, Mods please move if needed. 
I am wondering, can someone explain exactly how is Justin related to Victor? Is he Victor's brother's kid or something? Also, is Xander another brother's kid?
Who are Daniel's parents? Did he randomly get introduced to the show as Victor's godson, with no real history on the show as a character?
Who is Daniel's father, if Maggie is his mother?
Also, did Theresa's mom get raped by Victor in the past? I thought I heard some reference to that recently. If so, I am surprised Maggie is married to him as she is seemingly portrayed as some sort of saintly figure on the show. And why/how could Theresa live in the same home as her mother's rapist? Can someone please clear this up for me?
Thanks so much!
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Post by fluffysmom on Jul 1, 2015 0:03:13 GMT -5
Justin is Victor's nephew. Xander is also one of Victor's nephews. Daniel's parents were close friends of Victor. That's why Victor is his godfather. We never saw these characters in Salem. Maggie's egg was used unbeknownst to her. They were obtained during Maggie's surrogacy story years ago. As far as we know Daniel's father is actually the man who raised him. Kimberly, Teresa's mom, slept with Victor to protect Shane(Teresa's dad). When Victor first came to Salem he was a bad guy. I hope this helps twinklingmoon. |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Jul 1, 2015 0:42:23 GMT -5
Hi twinklingmoon. Love your questions. Here's my two cents... -No one has ever seen or heard of Xander or his father until he arrived in Salem a few months ago. -Justin’s parents passed away back in the ‘80s. That’s when Justin showed up in Salem and became close with his Uncle Victor. Victor has always tolerated Adrienne but never really liked her or thought she was good enough for Justin. -Daneil: "Did he randomly get introduced to the show as Victor's godson, with no real history on the show as a character?" - Yes, that pretty much sums up Daniel's arrival in Salem, in my opinion. See fluffysmom's answers above for more. -As for Kimberly/Victor/Shane: Kimberly Brady first arrived in Salem as a prostitute who caught ISA agent Shane Donovan’s attention because some of her clients were criminals on a case he was working. Eventually the two got close and she shared that she was molested by her uncle as a child which led to her line of work. She quit being a prostitute and she and Shane fell in love but Shane used Kim’s cozy relationship with Victor Kiriakis, Salem’s newest crime lord to gain inside information to try and take Victor down. At one point, things came to a head and Kim realized that Victor knew what Shane was up to and planned to kill him that afternoon. She slept with Victor in order to distract him. It worked. Shane escaped but Kim later found out she was pregnant and believed it was Victor’s child. Months later it turned out that baby Andrew was actually Shane’s, a fact that didn’t make Victor very happy. Victor has mellowed over the years but obviously Kim and Victor’s history is complicated and contemptuous. In a nutshell, Kim views Victor as the evil crime lord who took advantage of her and Victor sees Kim as the slut who tried to send him to prison. |
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Post by twinklingmoon on Jul 1, 2015 23:39:41 GMT -5
Thanks ProudTVJunkie and fluffysmom for answering my questions
I am surprised to learn that a Brady was a prostitute...of that someone connected to the Brady family was a child molester, given that Kim's uncle molested her. Yikes! To say there is a "complicated" history between the Kiarakis' and the Bradys seems to be an understatement!
So Justin and Xander are both Victors' nephews, but they are not brothers. And we have never actually met any of Victor's siblings, correct?
So Maggie donated her egg to a couple who went through surrogacy, with the biological father being Daniel's father. interesting. I wonder how they figured out that Maggie was the donor. I thought that stuff was confidential.
Thanks again for everything! |
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Post by fluffysmom on Jul 2, 2015 9:01:33 GMT -5
Maggie didn't donate her egg. She had a child through surrogacy. One of her eggs ended up being given to this couple without her knowledge.
Xander and Justin aren't brothers. They haven't shared any scenes or even mentioned each other. No we haven't met any of Victor's brothers.
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Post by twinklingmoon on Jul 4, 2015 0:05:22 GMT -5
Maggie didn't donate her egg. She had a child through surrogacy. One of her eggs ended up being given to this couple without her knowledge. Xander and Justin aren't brothers. They haven't shared any scenes or even mentioned each other. No we haven't met any of Victor's brothers. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply Xander and Justin are brothers. Rather that their fathers were brothers, making them cousins. Am I right in assuming Justin is Victor's brother's son (as he is supposed to be Victor's nephew and has the Kiriakis name, so I assume the connection is on his father's side, not his mother's). Xander is also Victor's brother's son, but a different brother's son, making Xander and Justin cousins, not brothers. Boy! This is starting to sound like a family out of Greek mythology, ha! ha!
I don't understand Maggie's surrogacy storyline. Who is her child that she had via surrogacy? If Daniel is the egg given away without her knowledge, then how was her egg "given" if they weren't taking her eggs out of her in the first place to be used as a surrogate for someone else? Maybe I am confused about the word "surrogacy." I thought a surrogate was someone who donated an egg to another couple and allowed her fertilized egg to be implanted into the woman in that couple via IVF, or a surrogate was someone who acted as a "gestational host" for an already fertilized egg of another couple, or a surrogate provided both the egg which was fertilized and also carried the baby to term. So which of these 3 categories does Maggie fall into? And who is the child that resulted from this surrogacy and how does Daniel fit into this?
Sorry if my questions aren't making any sense but it is really late, ha! ha!
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Post by unavitasegreta on Jul 4, 2015 0:39:13 GMT -5
I don't understand Maggie's surrogacy storyline. Who is her child that she had via surrogacy? If Daniel is the egg given away without her knowledge, then how was her egg "given" if they weren't taking her eggs out of her in the first place to be used as a surrogate for someone else? Maybe I am confused about the word "surrogacy." I thought a surrogate was someone who donated an egg to another couple and allowed her fertilized egg to be implanted into the woman in that couple via IVF, or a surrogate was someone who acted as a "gestational host" for an already fertilized egg of another couple, or a surrogate provided both the egg which was fertilized and also carried the baby to term. So which of these 3 categories does Maggie fall into? And who is the child that resulted from this surrogacy and how does Daniel fit into this?
The confusion about the "surrogacy" term comes from the fact that the DOOL writers twist history to fit their own needs. Maggie has two biological children - Sarah Horton and Daniel Jonas. She has an adopted daughter, Melissa Horton. Maggie gave birth to Sarah, but not Daniel. IMO, the writers were lazy and stupid and so they wrote the recent scene where Melanie was asking Maggie about surrogacy because they wanted Melanie to make the connection to Brady/Kristen/Theresa. The situation regarding Sarah's birth was not the same because Maggie is the bio mom and gave birth to Sarah whereas Kristen has no genetic link to Tate. Maggie's first husband, Mickey Horton, was sterile. She wanted a child very badly, so she convinced Mickey to let her have a child using donor sperm. In the early 80s, Maggie had Sarah. She and Mickey raised Sarah and she was seen on screen throughout the 80s but left Salem around 1991. It turned out that Dr. Neil Curtis, who performed the procedure to impregnate Maggie, used his own sperm (Maggie and Mickey believed the donor was a man named Evan who subsequently died) and was Sarah's biological father. Maggie and Neil had an affair. Sarah caught them in the act and they told her the truth about Neil being her biological father. Mickey and Maggie eventually reunited and Sarah left town to live in Nashville with Melissa. We haven't seen her in 20+ years. Maggie never knew that Daniel existed. Around 2011 the writers decided to make Daniel her son. They created the backstory that Mickey and Maggie saved her eggs because they wanted to try to have another child. It never happened, but they didn't destroy the eggs. Alice apparently wondered what happened to those eggs and found out that a child was born. She was writing Maggie a letter about her discovery when she died. (FYI - this story was all created/made up after Francis Reid/Alice died). We then learned that Victor owned the fertility clinic and stole Maggie's eggs to give to Daniel's parents. In an interview John Aniston said that he thought Victor did it because he believed Maggie was a good person and would be a good donor; however, that's never played out on screen. On screen it was just one of those amazing soap coincidences and Victor said something like he never knew it was her eggs and he just wanted to give his friends a family. There's never been a mention of Dan's bio father and so it's assumed that the man who raised him is the biological father. I hope that info helps! |
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Post by André DiMera on Jul 4, 2015 6:21:42 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply Xander and Justin are brothers. Rather that their fathers were brothers, making them cousins. Am I right in assuming Justin is Victor's brother's son (as he is supposed to be Victor's nephew and has the Kiriakis name, so I assume the connection is on his father's side, not his mother's). Xander is also Victor's brother's son, but a different brother's son, making Xander and Justin cousins, not brothers. Boy! This is starting to sound like a family out of Greek mythology, ha! ha! Definitely something out of Greek mythology!  Yes, Justin is the son of Victor's older brother, Alexander Kiriakis. Meanwhile, Xander is the son of one of Victor's other brothers, Titus Kiriakis. So, yes, Justin and Xander are cousins. |
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Post by twinklingmoon on Jul 5, 2015 2:05:45 GMT -5
unavitasegreta Thank you so much for taking the time for answering my questions!!!!! So the way I see it, Maggie never acted as a surrogate. She had her own egg fertilized by a man who acted as a surrogate by being the sperm donor. She then carried this child, which was her own biological child, to term. This child is named Sarah, whom I 've never seen on screen.
Next is the whole Daniel mess of a storyline. They just reinvented a storyline, as Soaps tend to do. Maggie's egg which were never fertilized and used for her use ended up being used as "surrogate" eggs for another couple, however she did not authorize the use of her eggs for such a purpose. The child that resulted from the use of her eggs by another couple was Daniel. Presumably her egg was fertilized by the man who raised Daniel, and brought to term by the woman who Daniel believed to be his mother.
I think I've finally got all of this!!! Thanks so much! This has really helped.
André DiMera Yes, greek mythology storyline big time!!! So Justin's father's name is Alexander, but Alexander is not the father of Alexandros. Alexandros' father is named Titus, go figure *rolling eyes*. That solves another mystery for me, thanks |
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