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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 15:41:07 GMT -5
We've seen a lot of gullible and sometimes "neutered" men in Salem lately.
-Daniel & Eric were both taken for a ride by Nicole. -Brady bought into everything Kristen was selling and seems to be oblivious to Theresa's antics. -Rafe has allowed Jordan to call all of the shots in terms of disclosure. -EJ seems caught between a rock and hard place, knowing both Abigail and Sami hold all the cards. -Victor's criminal tendencies have been stifled by Maggie for some time. -Stefano is at the mercy of Kate's latest scheme(albeit unknowingly). -Lucas allowed Kate to dictate the outcome of his latest relationship. -JJ may still be a target for Bev. -John is still pursuing Marlena(when he's not harassing Brady) like the lonely wanderer.
Would you like to see some of these men turn the corner, get a clue and regain their manhood?
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Post by wendylou on Jun 21, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
Yes. As I said in another thread, I liked it when Eric told Nicole that he meant it when he told her to take her ring off. He's gone from being the sweet, humble priest, to a victim, to being led around by Nicole. It was nice to see him show a little backbone and force for once. In fact, it was sexy.
I definitely think Brady needs to wake up but he's got a pretty long history of being whipped. Not sure it will ever happen.
Rafe also needs to demand honesty from Jordan. They've been together long enough that it's time to fish or cut bait. If she doesn't trust him with her ridiculous secret by now then why is she with him?
However, this is 2014 and as a woman, I certainly like seeing some of the women take charge. I LOVE Sami and Kate orchestrating whatever this is they're orchestrating. And after the way John treated Marlena, he can keep wandering. He deserves it and I don't want her to take him back.
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Post by Kpatch on Jun 21, 2014 18:15:02 GMT -5
I know that soaps are supposed to be a reflection of society, and that women are the target demographic. I don't mind seeing strong women, but not at the expense of the men. You make really good points @dukeblue and wendylou. Add Bo to the list too because he's been destroyed as well. But I have to say that it's good to see Daniel taken down a notch. I'd like to see the men take the lead sometimes, and not just the villains. It is very sexy for a man to be in charge. It doesn't automatically mean he's robbing the woman of her strength. As Bonnie Tyler sang, where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods?
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Post by melly on Jun 21, 2014 18:27:53 GMT -5
I'd like to see many of the characters more nuanced than they are. The writers don't always show the good along with the bad, the strengths along with the weaknesses. I would DEFINITELY like to see Lucas and Eric grow backbones in dealing with the women in their lives, for example, and Victor's mischievous (as I like to think of it) side show up a bit more frequently.
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Post by Kpatch on Jun 21, 2014 21:13:07 GMT -5
I'd like to see many of the characters more nuanced than they are. The writers don't always show the good along with the bad, the strengths along with the weaknesses. I always thought that described Philip, which is what made him such a great character. He could be mean and cold, but we also saw his heart, and how easily he got hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 21:39:33 GMT -5
I almost forgot to put Nick and Roman on the list. Nick, at least had enough hutzpah to stand up to Kate and Sami but we all know what happened to him in the end. Roman's upcoming date with Giselle was put out there so he could be subjected to Marlena's unkind teasing and made to look unworthy of a woman's attention.
Speaking of Roman, did anyone happen to catch the small talk between he and Marlena last week when she arrived at the Pub? Am I wrong or was Roman pretending to be on the phone with Giselle? What was up with that? Did he sense Marlena was a bit jealous before and was just trying to stir the pot again?
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Post by Kpatch on Jun 21, 2014 21:42:12 GMT -5
Yes, he was pretending he was talking to Giselle for Marlena's benefit. I loved that! I thought maybe he was trying to avoid talking to Marlena, but it turned out she needed to talk to him about their son. I sure wish Roman was more involved in Eric's storyline instead of being on the far periphery. That's just unrealistic.
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Jun 22, 2014 0:42:56 GMT -5
Yes! That's why I actually like EJ. Because there are times when he's at a loss, like now when he's stuck between Sami and Abigail but there are also times that he takes charge and puts Sami in her place. It makes his character feel more balanced and real than many of the men in Salem.
I also like that we see Victor being loving with Maggie but he still hasn't lost his edge with the rest of Salem. I just wish we'd see more of him.
Rafe is a cop for goodness sake. How can he be in a relationship with a woman who is obviously hiding so much of her past and not have a problem with that?
Kate keeps Lucas on a short leash. Lately he only has a story if it is to be of use to his mother or Sami.
John and Bo, who used to be the heroes of the show, have been completely destroyed. They both walked away from their families.
Roman is practically nonexistent and I hope we get to see more of Aidan. He's been woefully underused since he's arrived.
It's about time Eric stood up for himself. He's played the whiny victim for far too long. I've always loved Nicole but if he goes back to her after all of this I will have no respect for his character.
Brady just bounces between bad romance choices, cocaine, and alcohol with no end in sight.
Daniel is the town superhero whose girlfriend seems to be the only person in Salem who doesn't trust him. I was glad to see him tell Jennifer they needed a break. I hope it becomes a breakup. I don't enjoy Daniel when he tries to be Mr. Perfect and that's what Jennifer expects of him. He's more fun when he's scheming with Nicole, even if he thinks it's for the greater good.
I don't expect them all to be white knights but it says something when the characters I'd trust to come to the rescue and save the day for their loved ones are EJ Dimera and Victor Kiriakis. The bad boys just seem to have more backbone these days.
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Post by fluffysmom on Jun 22, 2014 11:35:45 GMT -5
I miss the men like Shane and Steve and the Bo and John of the past.
I'd like to see Lucas have his own story.
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