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[wendylou]

Kpatch I was disappointed in Peggy at first but she came through in the end. Joan and Peggy represent two very different ways that women got ahead. They each used what they thought were their strengths, and like in real life, even women who respect each other and are friends, can be a little resentful of each other. They have their differences but in the end, they are in it together in what still seems to be a very male-dominated world.
I think Peggy over-estimated Ted. In fact, she's over-estimated him twice now. But I also saw the disappointment in her face when he tried to have Pete babysit them. I really felt when that happened that Peggy was starting to see that it's still a boys' club. I think it will all have future implications.
I don't see much on Mad Men as filler. All that stuff in Cali was showing how things have changed from when Don and esp. Roger first got in the game. They came in so arrogant and dismissive of the California business guys. But they had their number.
I still hold to my idea that this season is about the death of Don Draper. Not physical, just the idea or persona of him. Don Draper is just a made up person any way. I've seen some others speculating that Don might physically die this season but I think it's more figurative than that. I'm even starting to think at the end of Mad Men, Don might completely shed Don Draper and take on another identity - maybe he'll finally just go back to being Dick Whitman.
I'm not sure WHAT's up with Pete. I don't know about suicide but he's for sure on a course to implode.
Have you seen all of this stuff about Megan being a sort of Sharon Tate figure? I totally missed it but apparently, there are lots of similarities and people started speculating b/c of some t-shirt she wore with a red star (for Vietnam) on it that Sharon wore back in the 60's.
Another interesting thing I read is that maybe Ted and Harry Hamlin (can't remember the name) are actually going to take their clients and split. That thing with the name change at the end did seem kind of shady. They were so willing to NOT have their names in the agency. I think Harry Hamlin is like Roger but without the charm.

[Kpatch]

Jun 3, 2013 21:38:21 GMT -5 wendylou said:

I still hold to my idea that this season is about the death of Don Draper. Not physical, just the idea or persona of him. Don Draper is just a made up person any way. I've seen some others speculating that Don might physically die this season but I think it's more figurative than that. I'm even starting to think at the end of Mad Men, Don might completely shed Don Draper and take on another identity - maybe he'll finally just go back to being Dick Whitman.
I'm not sure WHAT's up with Pete. I don't know about suicide but he's for sure on a course to implode.
Have you seen all of this stuff about Megan being a sort of Sharon Tate figure? I totally missed it but apparently, there are lots of similarities and people started speculating b/c of some t-shirt she wore with a red star (for Vietnam) on it that Sharon wore back in the 60's.
Another interesting thing I read is that maybe Ted and Harry Hamlin (can't remember the name) are actually going to take their clients and split. That thing with the name change at the end did seem kind of shady. They were so willing to NOT have their names in the agency. I think Harry Hamlin is like Roger but without the charm.

Very interesting theory about Don. He actually saw himself in the pool dead/drowned, right around the time he was talking to an apparition of the real Don Draper. And someone said, maybe it was Megan or maybe Betty, something about him not knowing something about himself medically. Can't remember exactly. That would be so interesting if he allowed himself to be Dick again. 

I did read about the comparisons to Sharon Tate. Megan is extremely wrapped up in watching the reports of all the riots and murders. And they did have a break-in (the woman who pretended she was Don's mama). Makes you wonder if something happens to her in their "safe" upper East side neighborhood.

LOL at Roger without the charm. Ted and Harry did seem to do a 180 really quickly.

[Kpatch]

10 minutes to Mad Men. Excited.

[wendylou]

I was just beginning to think last night's episode was going to be completely uneventful...and then Sally showed up in the lobby telling the doorman she'd forgotten her keys again. I KNEW exactly where she was headed and what she would find. Whoa! Don has finally been busted. Wonder how this will chAnge things - between her and Don and just how she views sex in general. She's already seen Megan's mother and Roger and now this.
I thought it was kind of strange how Sally relived Don seeing his mother with that guy in the whorehouse. Wonder if that occurred to Don.
What did you think of the rest of the show.
So, now we know a little bit more about Bob. A lot of people were speculating about him being gay but I'm wondering if he is just whatever anyone wants/needs just to get ahead.
Can't believe there are only two more episodes.

[Kpatch]

Jun 10, 2013 12:45:07 GMT -5 wendylou said:

I was just beginning to think last night's episode was going to be completely uneventful...and then Sally showed up in the lobby telling the doorman she'd forgotten her keys again. I KNEW exactly where she was headed and what she would find. Whoa! Don has finally been busted. Wonder how this will chAnge things - between her and Don and just how she views sex in general. She's already seen Megan's mother and Roger and now this.
I thought it was kind of strange how Sally relived Don seeing his mother with that guy in the whorehouse. Wonder if that occurred to Don.
What did you think of the rest of the show.
So, now we know a little bit more about Bob. A lot of people were speculating about him being gay but I'm wondering if he is just whatever anyone wants/needs just to get ahead.
Can't believe there are only two more episodes.

wendylou - I loved the episode. It was so good and juicy! I think Don's world is about to implode. Do you think Sally will confide in her mother about this? That would be interesting, especially given what happened between Betty and Don at camp. 

I wonder about Bob too. I agree that he may be "everyman," whatever you need at the moment. On the other hand, he and Minolo might be a couple.

I loved the interactions between Peggy and Pete this week. I do think they are headed for a reunion. I think it was foreshadowed in the conversation with Pete's mother. And OMG did you see the look on Peggy's face when his mother mentioned "the child that you share"? I have been waiting for a mention of that too. 

Did you notice that when Don and the doctor were in the restaurant, there were two songs playing at the same time, one was Stranger on the Shore, an older tune, and I couldn't quite make out the other song. But I think it was meant to symbolize the clash of two worlds, the old and the new, each one struggling to gain control of the 1960s.

I really can't stand Megan. The actress is horrible and so is the character.

[wendylou]

Kpatch I really hope you're wrong about Peggy and Pete. I did like their interactions this week and Pete has a few endearing qualities but for the most part, I agree with his mother, he is a sour little man. Peggy is way too good for him. I'm still holding out hope for a hook-up with Stan. I know he's kind of crass sometimes but I totally love him, and he and Peggy are obviously good friends already. That's probably all they will be.
The part where Pete's mom brought up a child was crazy. Poor Peggy.
I'm not sure what to think about Bob. I guess we'll just have to wait and hope that we get more answers in the last two epis (they better be some good ones too.)
I didn't notice the songs. I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention. Maybe I'll have to rewatch. I can't imagine what Sally will do. I don't think telling Betty would be all that dramatic since Betty is clearly aware of Don's habits. Maybe Sally will "rebel" and become a nun after seeing all this shameful philandering by the adults around her.
I don't hate Megan but I'd much rather have seen Joan. What the heck happened to Avon?

[wendylou]

Oh Kpatch, I know you watched the Emmys so probably are not watching Mad Men But I hope you watch soon. Tonight's show has been crazy! Bombshells everywhere.

[Kpatch]

I just started watching about 10 minutes ago. I heard Duck give Pete info about Bob. I thought about you. LOL.

[wendylou]

Oh man, Don is good. He seems to be getting some of his mojo back. Meanwhile Ted is the one looking like a weenie this episode. I think Don loved watching Ted squirm.

[Kpatch]

Little Greg is looking good. He's growing up.

[wendylou]

You mean Glenn?

So what do you think? Does Don want Peggy or does he just want to beat Ted at everything? I know Don and Peggy have always had a strange relationship but I thought it was more like Father/Daughter, not sexual but Don seemed so jealous watching Peggy and Ted giggle and have fun together (don't know if you saw that part). I don't know why he'd care about people in the office having affairs. They happen all the time there. It had to be because it was his protege and the guy he views as his biggest threat.

[Kpatch]

wendylou and other Mad Men fans -- I can’t believe I haven’t commented on last Sunday’s show yet!

Don began and ended in a fetal position. I think they are trying to show that he is experiencing a rebirth.

The actress who plays Sally was great at giving Glenn (not Greg LOL) all these flirtatious looks. I want to see where that goes. I think Sally’s virginity ain’t long for this world. I really liked the mother-daughter moment in the car. It seems that Betty and Sally’s relationship has evolved a bit now that Sally is maturing.

So last week, Pete came to Don complaining. This week it was Peggy. Don ensured she wouldn’t be getting that Clio. That was a squirm-worthy moment in the conference room with St. Joseph’s. Well done. Poor Ted. No, I don't think Don wants Peggy. I think he just wants to break up the Ted/Peggy team and take back the upper hand.

Can’t wait to see how the season finale gets handled.

Here are six ways to get ready for the season finale.

[wendylou]

Wow! That was quite an ending. I never thought the day would come when they turned on Don. He definitely deserved it with his recent behavior. I couldn't believe it when he started telling that story to the guys from Hershey. Honestly, I thought he was having a stroke or something for a moment. I'm not sure what happened there. I know he had that moment when he really felt for Ted. But it seemed like something more. That was the most honest he's ever been. Maybe the Hershey bar memories meant so much that Don didn't want to lie about it??? I love that he's finally telling his kids the truth about his life and I liked seeing Sally look at him with a little bit of wonder after seeing where he grew up.
Now - Peggy. Ugh! I'm sorry but I was so disgusted with her tonight. I have not one shred of sympathy for a woman who knowingly goes after a married man with kids and ends up on the losing end. What Ted did was horrible but Peggy was absolutely responsible too. I hate it that they slept together and I'm glad Ted is leaving.
Looks like you may finally be free of Meagan. So is Pete going to California with Ted? I thought just one partner was going but then it sounded like Pete was moving there too. Definitely can't wait to see what happens with Don. Will he pick himself up and come back better? Maybe he'll fall apart.

[Kpatch]

wendylou, OMG yes it was quite an ending. The first half hour alone had me breathless. So much going on!

I also never dreamed that Don would end the season out of a job. That was so disturbing to me, the way they ganged up on him, conspired against him. I actually had nightmares about it ALL that night. Seriously. But if I take a step back, yeah, he was out of control. That story he told to Hershey was pretty creepy. More the fact that he told Hershey than the story itself. I think this is all part of the rebirth. I think this is his shot, his chance to start over, and I think next season we will meet Dick Whitman in earnest.  

I sure hope that's the end of Megan. Bring back Betty! I am not surprised that Sally was already kicked out of school. I too liked how she looked at her father like she was seeing him for the first time.

As for Peggy and Ted, it seemed like he just needed to get her out of his system so he could get back to his life with his family. 

And poor Pete. Yeah, he's a creep, but how awful that his mother was thrown overboard by Minolo to get his hands on her money. I was also unclear about him going to California. 

Interesting how Roger is kinder to his baby son than he is to his grown daughter. I think it's because he likes Kevin's mother better than the daughter's mother. Can't remember the mother or daughter's name.

So no one ended up happy, except maybe for Bob. Everyone was bereft. 

[wendylou]

Kpatch Just a few more thoughts after digesting the episode.

Oh, I can't believe you had nightmares. I did think it was disturbing but Don really had been very inconsiderate of all of them lately. It was weird to see Roger and Joan turn against him. It made me realize that while I thought some of them were friends, it's all business at the end of it.

I think I found some answers about my Pete question. I guess only one "creative" was going to Cali. Pete's not a creative (I still don't know everyone's job roles) so I guess he'll go as something else??? Pete was pretty pitiful in that episode. The thing with his mom was so weird. It's like he and his brother both realized they were happier without her in the end and just decided to let things go. I guess they weren't worried about Manolo getting their inheritance.

I was most disturbed by the way Bob treated Pete at Chevy. Pete already seeemed to have called a truce with him and then he finds a way to get rid of him anyway. Poor Pete can't win no matter what he does. Maybe Cali will be better for him. You know, aside from the fake identity part, Bob reminds me of a real type of person that exists in a lot of offices (I know I have one right now). They're that person that everyone knows is kind of an opportunistic weasel but no one can get rid of. They know everyone's weakness or buttons to push. They kiss up to all the right people and even though they get on lots of people's nerves, no one can get rid of them.

I can't wait to see what next season brings. A lot of people pointed out Peggy wearing pants for the first time at the end of the episode while in Don's office. I wonder if they will focus a lot more on Peggy and kind of show her coming into her own. Maybe after Mad Men ends, Joan and Peggy will go off on their own and we'll get Mad Women .