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Post by Trey on Mar 21, 2011 20:07:18 GMT -5
They are so deliciously cute together.
Evil love!
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Post by MrsM on Mar 21, 2011 20:54:13 GMT -5
I really do like them together. She brings out a side of Stefano that is almost likable.
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Post by ghoulgirl on Mar 21, 2011 22:05:59 GMT -5
I really like them a lot too. They are so perfect for each other!
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Post by Sparkster on Mar 22, 2011 7:53:39 GMT -5
I concur. I have really enjoyed their scenes lately. It's funny, because I don't have the same hatred for Stefano regarding the whole Rafe 2 thing as I do EJ and yet Stefano is the one who really masterminded the whole thing. Stefano is actually an enjoyable villain that I can take seriously. EJ is like a cartoon shell of Stefano. With EJ, I always feel like he's trying too hard or something. He's like a little kid trying to impress daddy but keeps coming up short. Which is why I'd be perfectly fine with EJ taking the brunt of the blame when (if??) this whole thing comes out.
Sorry to go OT....
I wonder if Kate will ever find out that Stefano was trying to have Allie kidnapped. I just remember their conversation at Chez Rouge where they promised not to keep secrets from each other so long as the other was not involved somehow. Kate is going to blow a gasket when she finds out.
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Post by DancingDays on Mar 22, 2011 8:55:25 GMT -5
 Ok. I'm a little confused. Kate and Stefano are adorable in their evil love (which I agree with) but EJ and any woman is a travesty that must be stopped at all costs (which, I'm sure you all know, I do not agree with)? I think I get what Sparky was saying, but it still seems like a double standard. If we go by character history, Stefano has done WAY more bad stuff than EJ has even had a chance to think about doing. I just don't get it. I like them all in their evilness. I like the others for their goodness. Seems like the only ones I don't like are the boring or pathetic ones. Sorry if this is all off topic, and I certainly don't mean to insult/upset anyone. It just struck me, so I'm tossing it out there. |
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Post by sportsgirl on Mar 22, 2011 10:17:56 GMT -5
You are right DD... but for some reason EJ is hated more. I am sure there are some good reasons, maybe something to do with age? I have to think about this further....
I too love Stefano & Kate together but I do not like Stefano as he is rrrreally evil and and much as he says he is a family man, we know that is a lie.... think Benji, Lexie in the tunnel... etc.
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Post by Trey on Mar 22, 2011 10:35:29 GMT -5
DD, I don't agree that EJ doesn't deserve to find his partner. I just don't think Taylor is it. They have as much chemistry as a wet noodle. He's a good looking and complex guy, and should be with someone who is just as sharp, clever and complex as he is. Actually, he was paired very well with Arianna (I hate to say it) but they should have explored that option. Just when she started getting interesting, they kill her off.
Ah well...
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Post by ghoulgirl on Mar 22, 2011 10:40:59 GMT -5
Lol I have gone through periods where I hate the character of stefano more then EJ however, I have been in an I like stefano position for the last year, maybe even two!
Stefano has committed some awful crimes, but I'm with dd on this one. I don't believe EJ has Done much worse then stefano! He is the ultimate villain!
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Post by DancingDays on Mar 22, 2011 10:41:49 GMT -5
Trey, I hate Taylor (well, Natalia's Taylor) and agree that she is no match for him. Since it seems the writers are hell bent on putting them together, I only hope that Tamara's Taylor is more of a match for EJ.
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Post by sportsgirl on Mar 22, 2011 10:45:06 GMT -5
I did used to like Nicole with EJ the 1st time... I thought the chemistry was great even though he secretly pined for Sami (why I'll never know)
But this 2nd time around stinks...It is making Nicole look very stupid and even if there wasn't a Taylor I would not like it. He was never a good match for Sami IMO as he was never himself around her.
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Post by Sparkster on Mar 22, 2011 11:15:43 GMT -5
Ok. I'm a little confused. Kate and Stefano are adorable in their evil love (which I agree with) but EJ and any woman is a travesty that must be stopped at all costs (which, I'm sure you all know, I do not agree with)? I think I get what Sparky was saying, but it still seems like a double standard. If we go by character history, Stefano has done WAY more bad stuff than EJ has even had a chance to think about doing. I just don't get it. Well, to be fair, I didn't say anything about EJ having a relationship with anyone, although I do know there are some posters who think he doesn't deserve to be loved by anyone since he's incapable of love. But that's another thread.  All I'm saying is in terms of being a good villain that I can take seriously and actually enjoy in a love to hate kind of way, Stefano fits that bill. EJ, not so much. I think my problem with EJ is his obsession with Sami. He's been stuck on this whole torturing her bit for what, 5 years??? It's old!! Move on!! I would have been saying the same thing years ago when Stefano was all gaga over Marlena. I know that Stefano has done a LOT over the years, most of which I hated him for. But since his return to the show a few years back, I've actually enjoyed him. And the fact that he's with Kate now, almost his equal in terms of evilness, makes their relationship fun to watch. In terms of EJ and being in a relationship, if they had written it better, he and Nicole could be a DiMera powerhouse. But no, they had to bring mousy Taylor into the mix....which only makes EJ (and Nicole, for that matter) look PATHETIC!!! If EJ could totally be out of Sami's orbit, I may be able to enjoy him. As long as he's finding new ways to torture her, I will go on hating him.....and not in a love to hate way! |
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Post by rockfordfosgate on Mar 22, 2011 11:23:30 GMT -5
I could handle EJ paired with someone romantically if he was paired with someone didn't cower under him, didn't back down from her strengths, or wasn't some do-gooder. It's hard to explain but I prefer Stefano/Kate than any previous EJ pairing because Kate hasn't ever truly lost sight of who she is or who Stefano is. They conflict and butt heads, but they ultimately understand each other. They are written as a couple, they have conversations together (even if they are vague and Kate doesn't know what's going on, she's still supporting him/giving him advice/not judging him and he's open to all of that). EJ hasn't had that with any woman because he wants to be in complete control over everyone and everything. He can't allow himself to be vulnerable enough to be supported or to have a real conversation with someone other than Stefano. Sami wanted him to renounce his father and the Dimera way, Nicole schemed, lied and most of all, she bruised EJ's massive ego, Arianna wasn't given a chance to do anything before being mowed down (and he saw her as nothing more than a pawn at that point anyway), and Taylor just doesn't seem to have the backbone.
As hard as it is for me to admit, the best pairing of those women for EJ would be Nicole. They have the best chemistry together and she would fair the best as a Dimera wife, but I want better for her than EJ and this current storyline though.
But back to topic, Kate and Stefano....I love them together. There are always going to be things they keep from each other, conflicting motivations and agendas....but there is this real connection between them that comes out in their scenes. There is real love between the two of them and it's intriguing to watch how they interact. It does keep a human side to Stefano and it keeps Kate interesting for being a woman and not just a schemer interfering in others' lives.
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Post by DancingDays on Mar 22, 2011 11:25:02 GMT -5
@sparky - Ahh. I understand now. And you are absolutely right. I was a huge Ejami fan, but even I am over that. The scenes with James and Ali used to sparkle with the energy between them. Now, they are decidedly cooler. Seems like they are over it too. There's nothing between them anymore.
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Post by Tom Horton on Mar 22, 2011 11:29:26 GMT -5
Ok. I'm a little confused. Kate and Stefano are adorable in their evil love (which I agree with) but EJ and any woman is a travesty that must be stopped at all costs (which, I'm sure you all know, I do not agree with)? I think I get what Sparky was saying, but it still seems like a double standard. If we go by character history, Stefano has done WAY more bad stuff than EJ has even had a chance to think about doing. I just don't get it. I like them all in their evilness. I like the others for their goodness. Seems like the only ones I don't like are the boring or pathetic ones. Sorry if this is all off topic, and I certainly don't mean to insult/upset anyone. It just struck me, so I'm tossing it out there. DD, I get the curiosity but it is my opinion that it's best just to accept that people see characters differently than to delve into why. If two people see a character differently then they aren't likely to agree on the reasons for viewing them that way either. It's not about double standards, it's just all part of the same differing view on the character. I actually think EJ has done things just as horrid as Stefano and possibly even worse. He may not have had as many years to practice his evil and he's not as competent as Stefano but personally I see him as just as evil at heart and possibly worse. The difference I see between Stefano & Kate and any of EJ's pairings is that I view Stefano and Kate as equally yoked, cut from the same cloth, equals and most importantly Kate is still Kate with Stefano. She stands up to him. She didn't have to be dumbed down or weakened to make the pairing possible. I do not view Sami or Nicole as evil or on the same level as Stefano or Kate and therefore not on the same level as EJ either. In Sami's case the pairing was never equal and not even consentual in the truest sense of the word. Even at the very best of times, EJ was lying to and manipulating her - there was never a positive foundation that anything good could have ever come from IMO. With Nicole, the start of the relationship was good. Good enough in fact that I actually started to warm up to EJ for a time and very much wanted him to have a true redemption. I wanted him to protect Nicole from Trent and come to understand what he had done to Sami and truly change his ways, but that's not what happened and when they turned him abusive and controlling with Nicole and dumbed her down and made her kowtow to him just like they had done with Sami, it turned my stomach and I hated him again. At this point, so much has happened with EJ and he has been so abusive and controlling with so many women that I don't want him ever paired with another woman ever again. However, I should also note that I'm not a huge Stefano & Kate fan. I see potential there but there are things about that relationship that I still find a bit too toxic to fully enjoy. I'm not writing them off completely because I think with the right writing those challenges could be addressed and overcome, but I'm not a gung ho fan of them at this point. For me, it's mostly just a matter of enjoying Lauren and Joe as actors and how well they work together in any kind of scene. |
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Post by Kpatch on Mar 22, 2011 11:54:33 GMT -5
I liked their conversation a lot, but I thought that it was unrealistic for Kate to say that Chad will come around, look at Lexie. Just because Lexie closes her eyes to the evil, despite being a victim of it, doesn't mean Chad will.
I did, however, like the analogy Kate made to her own children. She acknowledged that they don't approve of her actions but they know she loves them. Yes, that is undeniable but the parent's love of the child is decidedly different than expecting the child to accept the parent.
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All I'm saying is in terms of being a good villain that I can take seriously and actually enjoy in a love to hate kind of way, Stefano fits that bill. EJ, not so much. I think my problem with EJ is his obsession with Sami. He's been stuck on this whole torturing her bit for what, 5 years??? It's old!! Move on!! I would have been saying the same thing years ago when Stefano was all gaga over Marlena. I know that Stefano has done a LOT over the years, most of which I hated him for. But since his return to the show a few years back, I've actually enjoyed him. And the fact that he's with Kate now, almost his equal in terms of evilness, makes their relationship fun to watch. In terms of EJ and being in a relationship, if they had written it better, he and Nicole could be a DiMera powerhouse. But no, they had to bring mousy Taylor into the mix....which only makes EJ (and Nicole, for that matter) look PATHETIC!!! If EJ could totally be out of Sami's orbit, I may be able to enjoy him. As long as he's finding new ways to torture her, I will go on hating him.....and not in a love to hate way!
