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Post by slyn11 on Jul 27, 2011 11:13:11 GMT -5
He needs to be in their lives. He is their father. And it makes for compelling TV to watch him struggle to raise them in the shadow of his choices and his demons. Who wants to watch Rafe be a good dad? BORING. The best part about soaps is you get to explore people you might never meet in real life. While you and I are more often than not on the same page,I have to disagree with you here.He really doesn't need to be in their lives.He is abusive toward them in his own way,and that's NOT good for them.While my own father isn't as bad as EJ,I walked away from him three years ago and am much better off,my kid is happier and more confident without his abusive behaviour and it would be the same way for Johnny and Sydney.I get that you like the angst,and yeah,usually angst is good and it's what all good soaps are made of,but EJ's gone too far.He really doesn't care about his kids or he would have mellowed a bit and thought about them before he acted.You don't try to take a child's mother away from him when he's sick with cancer,you don't try to convince said child that his mother doesn't love him.As far as I'm concerned,EJ needs to go away for a while and man up. It is a soap. It makes for good TV to watch him deal with being a father. In real life I am sure the kids should be removed from the home. But on a soap, I want to see him try and fail to put them first. I want to see them grow up to resent him or emulate him (to his horror or joy). Crime families have children...and I want to see their family stories just as much (if not more so) than the family stories of the town doctor, cop, or barkeep. EJ is good TV. So many topics online are about him. If you took away the EJ talk, you would be left with precious little to debate about on the show. And talk is good. |
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 27, 2011 11:20:48 GMT -5
While I agree and understand with some of what you said,we already have watched EJ try and fail,miserably since Johnny was first born and then with Sydney.I mean he had a hand in Sydney's kidnapping,tossing bloody clothes into the river and allowing Sami and Co.to believe she was dead.You don't find that kinda sick?Johnny already resents him and has turned his back on his father,and once Sydney is old enough,she won't be far behind.
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Post by DancingDays on Jul 27, 2011 11:28:37 GMT -5
I love the guy. Period. I love his good side. I love his bad side. I especially love his backside.  But he DOES make good soap tv. Without him, Salem would be pretty boring. He can still be interesting without the body double garbage and crazy stuff like that. His struggle with himself is good tv and I love watching it play out. |
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Post by jaysdelina on Jul 27, 2011 11:33:12 GMT -5
I don't mind him being bad.I'm really not saying that at all,but he can be bad and still be a good father,loving toward his children,but he isn't.All he's done is used them as a means to an end.That's not right.It's good they're going to have him struggle with himself,and that's something I'd like to see,but he should be away from his children while he does it.They don't need him dragging them down anymore than he already has.They've been through enough because of him.
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Post by slyn11 on Jul 27, 2011 11:37:27 GMT -5
While I agree and understand with some of what you said,we already have watched EJ try and fail,miserably since Johnny was first born and then with Sydney.I mean he had a hand in Sydney's kidnapping,tossing bloody clothes into the river and allowing Sami and Co.to believe she was dead.You don't find that kinda sick?Johnny already resents him and has turned his back on his father,and once Sydney is old enough,she won't be far behind. Nope I don't find it sick...well I did LOL...but not in a way that would keep me from enjoying the character. I have often longed for EJ to be transported to another soap that was better equipped at writing characters like his. You never know how the kids will change as they age. Watching similar scenarios on other shows right now, and not all the kids resent their fathers. It doesn't have to be so black and white. I know if I were writing the show I would definitely have at least one of the kids love EJ to bits. I am thinking Sydney. (I would have Sydney have issues with Sami). |
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Post by Tom Horton on Jul 27, 2011 13:57:53 GMT -5
While I agree that soaps needs villains, EJ doesn't even make a good villain. I don't find him interesting or complex in the least. He does sick, disgusting things to people who can't fight back and that makes him too to even fulfill a long term villain role. He is a bully and a coward and the most cartoonish of all the Days villains. I can understand the value in a Sonny Corinthos for a soap but EJ isn't even close to that league - Sonny would have EJ for breakfast. I strongly believe that EJ is the very worst character ever brought to Salem. Buzz isn't neccessarily a good thing (BP got a lot of buzz over their oil spill but it certainly wasn't the profitable kind) and the buzz surrounding EJ has not once correlated into good ratings for Days. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I understand that some still like the character regardless of what he does but I can't agree that he has been good for the show in any way.
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Post by rockfordfosgate on Jul 27, 2011 17:22:01 GMT -5
"Sonny would have EJ for breakfast"....nah, EJ's only an appetizer. Sonny would be like, "That's it? That's all ya got?"
And while I think Vivian is more cartoonish in terms of her plots and schemes, at least when she shows emotion I can semi-believe it. I believe she has feelings; I believe she truly cared for Victor; I believe she truly craved a maternal relationship with Lawrence, Philip, and now Quinn. With EJ, it is tough to spot what is real whenever any vulnerability or softer emotion is shown. He has pretended and faked those emotions so many times for the sake of manipulating Sami and Taylor that I can't believe that he truly feels anything now.
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