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Post by karebr13 on Aug 4, 2011 15:45:43 GMT -5
No they didn't mean for Chloe to end up with Brady the whole time. In Corday's own words, phloe was always the plan. No way am I buying that. I knew from the very first Brady and Chloe scene they were going to end up together. I continued to watch, but I knew with certainty who would "win" in the end. They painted Philip as the bad guy (a role he was stuck in until about 2008. He was the guy the good man had to go up against to get the girl. Like during Phelle/Shelle ) and Brady as the hero with Chloe and in the K family - he is John Black's son. Of course he was getting the girl. You can tell by how things were written....Brady and Chloe were building a connection while Chloe and Philip kept being put in these "angsty" situations that threatened their relationship. And Corday has clearly shown he is not all that in tuned to the creative going ons of his own show. He spews inaccurate crap all the time, and he is very known to say things just to appease fanbases. Brady and Chloe were singing showtunes...to DAYS that is high romance. Of course they were getting together. Brady was more of a jerk than Philip ever was. He was constantly telling Chloe that her and Philip were all wrong for each other and he was telling Philip the same thing that he didn't deserve a girl like Chloe for a girlfriend. He was constantly hanging out with Chloe when he knew damn well that Philip and Chloe were dating. You can't exactly blame Philip totally for being jealous of Brady when every time he wasn't with Chloe she was with Brady. Plus Philip was feeling a little insecure at the time because of all the problems he was having with his parents and his family. One of the great things about Phloe back then was that they weren't painted as this perfect high school couple. They had more than their fair share of issues to work out with each other and they always managed to work through them and reconnect with each other until the writers couldn't do that no more because of Jay leaving. If Jay didn't leave the show I am more than certain that Phloe would have been endgame and Brady would have ended up moving on with Nicole. There were all kind of scenes where it looked like the writers were testing the waters with Bricole to see if viewers would like them as a couple. Broe only ended up happening because with Philip gone there was no way that Phloe could end up being endgame without recasting Philip right away and that wouldn't have worked out too great because Jay and Nadia are what made Phloe so rootable because of the natural chemistry they shared with each other in scenes. Plus Jay really made the role of Philip all his own and when they tried to recast Philip several months later after Jay left it was an epic fail for the show. |
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Post by fluffysmom on Aug 4, 2011 17:10:49 GMT -5
No way am I buying that. I knew from the very first Brady and Chloe scene they were going to end up together. I continued to watch, but I knew with certainty who would "win" in the end. They painted Philip as the bad guy and Brady as the hero with Chloe and in the K family - he is John Black's son. Of course he was getting the girl. You can tell by how things were written....Brady and Chloe were building a connection while Chloe and Philip kept being put in these "angsty" situations that threatened their relationship. And Corday has clearly shown he is not all that in tuned to the creative going ons of his own show. He spews inaccurate crap all the time, and he is very known to say things just to appease fanbases. Brady and Chloe were singing showtunes...to DAYS that is high romance. Of course they were getting together. When Jay gave his notice over a year in advance, that's when they went with broe in full force and painted Philip as the bad guy. Before that, it wasn't obvious they were going with Broe. Honestly, it wouldn't have been one of the biggest triangles this show had ever seen if people knew from the very beginning broe was going to win. I think Jay gave notice almost a year and a half before he left. Unfortunately that gave the writers lots of time to change the story. In Corday's book, he mentioned the two Days storylines that received the most fan response and Phloe vs Broe was #2. He said it was a 50/50 split based on the fan response to TPTB. FYI, the #1 event was "Marlena " being killed by the Salem Strangler. It was actually her sister. |
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Post by ghoulgirl on Aug 4, 2011 20:40:11 GMT -5
Dang it. I couldn;'t see the video with the first Philip. Says it was removed. BOoo.
Thanks for photos and videos everyone!
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Post by Kpatch on Aug 4, 2011 20:42:52 GMT -5
@gg - The embedding was removed (not by us), but if you double click it, it should take you over to youtube and you can watch it there.
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Post by slyn11 on Aug 4, 2011 21:29:46 GMT -5
No way am I buying that. I knew from the very first Brady and Chloe scene they were going to end up together. I continued to watch, but I knew with certainty who would "win" in the end. They painted Philip as the bad guy (a role he was stuck in until about 2008. He was the guy the good man had to go up against to get the girl. Like during Phelle/Shelle ) and Brady as the hero with Chloe and in the K family - he is John Black's son. Of course he was getting the girl. You can tell by how things were written....Brady and Chloe were building a connection while Chloe and Philip kept being put in these "angsty" situations that threatened their relationship. And Corday has clearly shown he is not all that in tuned to the creative going ons of his own show. He spews inaccurate crap all the time, and he is very known to say things just to appease fanbases. Brady and Chloe were singing showtunes...to DAYS that is high romance. Of course they were getting together. Brady was more of a jerk than Philip ever was. He was constantly telling Chloe that her and Philip were all wrong for each other and he was telling Philip the same thing that he didn't deserve a girl like Chloe for a girlfriend. He was constantly hanging out with Chloe when he knew damn well that Philip and Chloe were dating. You can't exactly blame Philip totally for being jealous of Brady when every time he wasn't with Chloe she was with Brady. Plus Philip was feeling a little insecure at the time because of all the problems he was having with his parents and his family. One of the great things about Phloe back then was that they weren't painted as this perfect high school couple. They had more than their fair share of issues to work out with each other and they always managed to work through them and reconnect with each other until the writers couldn't do that no more because of Jay leaving. If Jay didn't leave the show I am more than certain that Phloe would have been endgame and Brady would have ended up moving on with Nicole. There were all kind of scenes where it looked like the writers were testing the waters with Bricole to see if viewers would like them as a couple. Broe only ended up happening because with Philip gone there was no way that Phloe could end up being endgame without recasting Philip right away and that wouldn't have worked out too great because Jay and Nadia are what made Phloe so rootable because of the natural chemistry they shared with each other in scenes. Plus Jay really made the role of Philip all his own and when they tried to recast Philip several months later after Jay left it was an epic fail for the show. I agree with you about Brady. I have never liked him - still don't. Only liked classic bricole because of chem and Nicole. Current bricole has had moments. It is so freaking eerie, everything you said sounds like how we are about Liason over at GH. Same time period for that couple as Phloe - fanbases were very active during that time - especially young fans - which I am sure helped the broe/phloe campaigning. The fan wars over Liason/LL2/Journey/Liric and later Jasam are stuff of legends. Philip and Chloe were the only storyline that I ever loved on Days ...ever...until recently. The sole reason I came back to Days was Jay's return. I stuck around for good when Nadia came back. I definitely wanted a shot at a Phloe reunion or at the very least I wanted some sex. Well I got my sex at least - and I didn't like their first love scene very much - but the second was better. But some things became so very clear as I continued to watch about where things were going for the characters of Philip and Chloe. The recast of Philip failed IMO because he wasn't good enough. Don't just plop a reality star in the role...they needed a better actor. Or at least someone cute as Jay. Also they put recast Philip in the middle of Shelle, a popular pairing. That never bodes well. Lucky for us, Philip's character was developed and deepened by all his experiences even during the recast time. So when Jay came back he stepped into a really interesting role. Nadia did not have the same fate. Chloe never changed or grew - no matter the circumstance or trauma. She became the stereotypical damsel in distress (that actually started during broe). When she came back, she may have lost her intellect and spunk, but she hadn't gained in depth or insight either - and she should have cancer, disfigurement, marriage, singing career, drugged out hubby, divorce - things like that impact well written characters. Philip however was turning into a lead character and he was so well fleshed out, that Chloe looked like a chalk outline next to him. And I truly believe that is what made them hesitate with a full on Phloe romance this go round. Lead vs supporting - even in 2010 when Rafe took away Philip's work storyline (rivalry with EJ) and Jay was on less - he still had a story with all his "ladies". They also kept him in scenes with his family (not as much as he should have been) but it was still there. Chloe had none of that. And there lies the problem. |
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Post by shi22 on Aug 4, 2011 22:39:56 GMT -5
This show hasn't treated Philip like a lead character for years though. He was a supporting character all through 2010. He wasn't even at the center of his own storyline. Poor Jay was treated like crap by this writing team. He was stuck in storylines he shouldn't have been in with characters he should have never been paired with.
As for why they didn't go with Phloe, I think it had more to do with the show not knowing what do with Lucas after they decided to go with Ejami. They didn't want to get rid of him so what did they do? They paired him with Chloe. I just think the decision was a quick fix writing solution rather than an insightful character-driven decision made by the writers.
I still resent this show for not giving us a real phloe love story this time around. It was such a missed opportunity and I'm sure if the writers gave phloe a chance, a lot of people would have tuned in. They already had the fanbase, the original actors, and the history so the writers had half their work already done for them.
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Post by jaysdelina on Aug 4, 2011 22:41:26 GMT -5
The biggest problem with Chloe I see is that they took a major step back.As you said,she lost her intellect and spunk,but she lost alot more than that too.She lost her quick wit,she lost her confidence.She lost the ability to stand alone and face the world as she had done as "Ghoul Girl".To me they turned her into a life size Barbie with more...assets than brains.I didn't like that.
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Post by slyn11 on Aug 4, 2011 22:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by fluffysmom on Aug 4, 2011 22:51:51 GMT -5
I still resent this show for not giving us a real phloe love story this time around. It was such a missed opportunity and I'm sure if the writers gave phloe a chance, a lot of people would have tuned in. They already had the fanbase, the original actors, and the history so the writers had half their work already done for them. There were so many terrific flashbacks that could have been used too. I completely agree with you Shi! Both characters got the shaft for much of the time since 2007. |
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Post by fluffysmom on Aug 4, 2011 22:53:30 GMT -5
Love the pic of Jay and Nadia!
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Post by jaysdelina on Aug 4, 2011 22:55:34 GMT -5
I have to disagree.The writers at that point didn't much care about character history,so I really wouldn't have wanted them to try a Phloe reunion at that point.They would have botched what WAS a great story.
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Post by karebr13 on Aug 4, 2011 23:08:21 GMT -5
When Chloe first came back and she was with Philip she was still a pretty strong character. She was trying to land a job on her own but couldn't because of Victor's interference with the Brady drug addiction situation. Philip tried to take care of her but she wouldn't accept his money to pay for her place to live after Victor kicked her out of the mansion.
Chloe didn't become such a weak character until the writers decided to pair her up with both Lucas and Daniel especially Daniel. With Lucas she still was working and helping him take care of Allie but then when she got stuck being paired with Daniel all we got stuck with was her being painted as nothing more than a sex toy for Daniel. Once she decided to move on with Daniel after her breakup with Lucas she wouldn't take a job and insisted that she needed to devote all her time and energy to keeping Daniel satisfied sexually.
Having Philip and Chloe being paired together actually worked out great for both characters it is once the writers moved Philip onto being paired with the younger girls on the show and Chloe being moved onto the older guys on the show that both characters became ruined.
BTW Philip had almost no interaction with his family throughout 2010 after he married Melanie. We were lucky if he had maybe a dozen scenes outside of Melanie and her family. It wasn't until near the end of 2010 when the truth was about to come out about Parker that we actually saw Philip interacting with any members of his family. Also it seemed like he was more of a recurring character on the show than a supporting character on the show. There would be plenty of times where we wouldn't see Jay on screen for a couple of weeks while Molly was on practically every single day. Considering how Philip was married to Melanie through all of 2010 there was no reason why Philip would be on only one or two days a week if we were lucky and most of those scenes were very short. The only time he got any kind of significant airtime was when he had scenes he shared with Chloe trying to cover up the ONS and panicking about the whole baby situation.
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Post by slyn11 on Aug 4, 2011 23:34:23 GMT -5
BTW Philip had almost no interaction with his family throughout 2010 after he married Melanie. We were lucky if he had maybe a dozen scenes outside of Melanie and her family. It wasn't until near the end of 2010 when the truth was about to come out about Parker that we actually saw Philip interacting with any members of his family. Also it seemed like he was more of a recurring character on the show than a supporting character on the show. There would be plenty of times where we wouldn't see Jay on screen for a couple of weeks while Molly was on practically every single day. Considering how Philip was married to Melanie through all of 2010 there was no reason why Philip would be on only one or two days a week if we were lucky and most of those scenes were very short. The only time he got any kind of significant airtime was when he had scenes he shared with Chloe trying to cover up the ONS and panicking about the whole baby situation. Definitely less airtime than he had before. I hate how they underutilized him. The problem was that the other half of Philip's story was gone. Philip has always had his love life, and his business life...and of course family mixed in. When the show made the focus Rafe trying to get even with EJ (or vice versa) they ended all things Titan and any Dimera/Kiriakis business. Up until that point that was the main story for Philip. Now he was just left with his love life and his romantic rival. Nathan was rarely allowed to be in scenes with Philip. I am sure the show felt that was laughable. But still it made Philip miss out on even more story potential. If Nathan had been more of a worthy adversary maybe they would have done more. In 2010 - Philip did have scenes with Victor, Vivian, Maggie, Carly and more with Daniel, Stephanie, Chloe...also some with Nicole, Kayla and Adrienne, one or two with Bo and Brady...a sprinkle with Kate and Lucas. Not nearly enough but he still mingled a bit. Just didn't have his Titan/business story and we all felt the loss. Why did they drop the Titan tv thing with Nicole and Ari? That could have been his business story right there? Philip dating college age women I think was pretty appropriate. Men his age - mid to late 20s - would find that age attractive. And Chloe dating older worked as well. Women tend to date older. What didn't work, at least for me, was Chloe choosing to be with Lucas. Final straw in my book. Still even with diminished airtime Jay's character was more connected to the show than Chloe, that was I think part of the problem. Her character needed more ties. Parker would have been great for her. And I am sure part of the reason they made her have him. But still that wasn't quite enough. And if they couldn't give her ties, they could have at least given her story...like they did Nicole. But that is not how they wanted to use Nadia. I have some theories on why they didn't use Nadia more, but really it is irrelevant now that they let her go. I am just going to take pleasure in the Phloe baby and know that no matter what they will always have a story together. |
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Post by shi22 on Aug 4, 2011 23:35:19 GMT -5
When Chloe first came back and she was with Philip she was still a pretty strong character. She was trying to land a job on her own but couldn't because of Victor's interference with the Brady drug addiction situation. Philip tried to take care of her but she wouldn't accept his money to pay for her place to live after Victor kicked her out of the mansion. Chloe didn't become such a weak character until the writers decided to pair her up with both Lucas and Daniel especially Daniel. With Lucas she still was working and helping him take care of Allie but then when she got stuck being paired with Daniel all we got stuck with was her being painted as nothing more than a sex toy for Daniel. Once she decided to move on with Daniel after her breakup with Lucas she wouldn't take a job and insisted that she needed to devote all her time and energy to keeping Daniel satisfied sexually. Having Philip and Chloe being paired together actually worked out great for both characters it is once the writers moved Philip onto being paired with the younger girls on the show and Chloe being moved onto the older guys on the show that both characters became ruined. BTW Philip had almost no interaction with his family throughout 2010 after he married Melanie. We were lucky if he had maybe a dozen scenes outside of Melanie and her family. It wasn't until near the end of 2010 when the truth was about to come out about Parker that we actually saw Philip interacting with any members of his family. Also it seemed like he was more of a recurring character on the show than a supporting character on the show. There would be plenty of times where we wouldn't see Jay on screen for a couple of weeks while Molly was on practically every single day. Considering how Philip was married to Melanie through all of 2010 there was no reason why Philip would be on only one or two days a week if we were lucky and most of those scenes were very short. The only time he got any kind of significant airtime was when he had scenes he shared with Chloe trying to cover up the ONS and panicking about the whole baby situation. ITA with your whole post. They didn't really destroy Chloe until the luole and danloe stuff. I think Chloe still had her spunk when she first came back too. Remember the scene when she exposed Philip and Belle's secret during their high school reunion. It was underhanded and a little vindictive, but that reminded me so much of ghoul girl Chloe. I loved that scene! I hated how Philip was dating co-eds too. I felt like the character regressed when he was with them and quite honestly, I think they brought him down. They really should have taken Philip out of teen scene and kept him with people who were closer in age and life experience. He should have been in the "A" storyline all along. |
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Post by jaysdelina on Aug 4, 2011 23:44:11 GMT -5
BTW Philip had almost no interaction with his family throughout 2010 after he married Melanie. We were lucky if he had maybe a dozen scenes outside of Melanie and her family. It wasn't until near the end of 2010 when the truth was about to come out about Parker that we actually saw Philip interacting with any members of his family. Also it seemed like he was more of a recurring character on the show than a supporting character on the show. There would be plenty of times where we wouldn't see Jay on screen for a couple of weeks while Molly was on practically every single day. Considering how Philip was married to Melanie through all of 2010 there was no reason why Philip would be on only one or two days a week if we were lucky and most of those scenes were very short. The only time he got any kind of significant airtime was when he had scenes he shared with Chloe trying to cover up the ONS and panicking about the whole baby situation. Definitely less airtime than he had before. I hate how they underutilized him. The problem was that the other half of Philip's story was gone. Philip has always had his love life, and his business life...and of course family mixed in. When the show made the focus Rafe trying to get even with EJ (or vice versa) they ended all things Titan and any Dimera/Kiriakis business. Up until that point that was the main story for Philip. Now he was just left with his love life and his romantic rival. Nathan was rarely allowed to be in scenes with Philip. I am sure the show felt that was laughable. But still it made Philip miss out on even more story potential. If Nathan had been more of a worthy adversary maybe they would have done more. In 2010 - Philip did have scenes with Victor, Vivian, Maggie, Carly and more with Daniel, Stephanie, Chloe...also some with Nicole, Kayla and Adrienne, one or two with Bo and Brady...a sprinkle with Kate and Lucas. Not nearly enough but he still mingled a bit. Just didn't have his Titan/business story and we all felt the loss. Why did they drop the Titan tv thing with Nicole and Ari? That could have been his business story right there? Philip dating college age women I think was pretty appropriate. Men his age - mid to late 20s - would find that age attractive. And Chloe dating older worked as well. Women tend to date older. What didn't work, at least for me, was Chloe choosing to be with Lucas. Final straw in my book. Still even with diminished airtime Jay's character was more connected to the show than Chloe, that was I think part of the problem. Her character needed more ties. Parker would have been great for her. And I am sure part of the reason they made her have him. But still that wasn't quite enough. And if they couldn't give her ties, they could have at least given her story...like they did Nicole. But that is not how they wanted to use Nadia. I have some theories on why they didn't use Nadia more, but really it is irrelevant now that they let her go. I am just going to take pleasure in the Phloe baby and know that no matter what they will always have a story together. I agree with you Slyn.The co-ed thing didn't bother me at all either as it is true to life.Most men date younger while most women date older.Not to mention that most soap characters aren't seen as having a birthday every year,so we don't know exactly how old they envision Philip to be.I would guess mid-late 20s. |
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